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Kirk Herbstreit tells SEC fans to ‘claim’ Tennessee’s loss against Oregon

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Kirk Herbstreit sounds like he has a bone to pick with the SEC.

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While on ‘Herd & Herbstreit’ with Colin Cowherd, he was asked about Oregon’s blowout against Tennessee, and he said since the SEC claims all wins when one team wins a championship, they should claim all losses – like Tennessee.

“I don’t think they intentional ran it up, but I’ll tell you this: The SEC, it’s unique about their fan base. There are fourteen schools. When one of them wins a national championship, all fourteen carry the flag for the national championship. They all claim it. They all claim the national championship like they won it together. So when Tennessee gets ambushed by Oregon, they need to all get their flag out together and accept that loss to Oregon.

“It’s funny, when you get outside of the PAC-12, people kind of poo-poo Oregon as if that Oregon speed can’t match up with the bigger schools that have big defensive linemen. I’m telling you, the fan in me wants to see Oregon get a chance in the big game against an SEC powerhouse like Alabama or LSU in the national championship. People want to say LSU already played Oregon. That was different time in a different era and a different LSU team. Oregon was very young with De’Anthony Thomas and some of their true freshmen. Oregon does not get the credit they deserve on a national level. Right now, them and Alabama are on a different playing field than everybody else after the first three weeks.”

Oregon got bored against Tennessee and started chanting ‘S-E-C’ and ‘We want Bama’.

Sounds like Kirk thinks Oregon will take down the SEC in this year’s national championship game. An Alabama or LSU vs. Oregon would be fantastic for college football.

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  1. Oregon always runs up the score on the weak parts of their schedule… but when it comes to the actual challenges they either squeak out a win or lose…..

    • Gotta love it when an SEC fan declares his ignorance to the world. Happens far too often.

      Oregon pulls their starters before any team in America. Against Tennessee, starters completely left with 6 minutes left in the third, up 52-7. Against Virginia, starters were pulled even earlier. Same with Nicholls State.

      Against Arkansas State last year, Oregon’s starters were pulled with 11 minutes left in the SECOND QUARTER, up 43-3. After another score made it 50-3 halfway through the 2nd, all starters (even ones playing their first CFB game ever) came out. Every player on Oregon’s roster that game, walk-on or not, played.

      Against Tennessee, the backups held the Vols, marched right down to the red-zone, and scored again. Unfortunately for them, they were immediately pulled in favor of walk-ons and buried-in-the-depth-chart players. At that point, UT was able to grab a score.

      If anything, Oregon is the most anti-running-up-the-score team in America. They just want to get their starters out as soon as possible so the young guys can get real game experience. It’s what’s kept the Oregon machine going for 5 years now, and it’s what allowed them to continue to get better every year.

    • Ducks have proven their place as a truly elite team. They’ve lost less than five games since 2010, going 36-4 in that span. And of those four losses, only one—the 2011 season-opener against LSU—came by more than 6.5 points.

      The others all came by a field goal, including the 2011 BCS National Championship against Auburn. Ipso facto, including 2013, they would have covered this spread in 42 of their last 43 games.

  2. What’s got his panties in a wad? So what If we root for an SEC team when they play for a nation championship? It’s respect and it goes further back to our roots of being raised to not be a bunch of west coast pansies. You get beat by Bama with 8 seconds left in the game and 5 yards to go and you give them RESPECT.

    I’ll accept the UT loss as a UGA fan. I mean I expected it. I even think Oregon would give BAMA a really good run for it’s money. But I can already foresee that if an SEC school doesn’t win the National Championship this year they’ll be parading in the streets acting like the SEC era is over. Oregon needs to realize, That’s one QB. One QB defines your fate. You might be decent without him like you have been for a few years now, but you’ll always be second place.

    • mr handley sounds a person who has not been to the west coast (has he made it out of Georgia yet?), and obviously he has not watched oregon play (especially if he thinks oregon’s game relies on one person)

      easy to cling to bad opinions if one remains blissfully ignorant. i don’t think SEC coaches facing Oregon will be that dumb.

      with the comment about roots and respect though, Mr Handley, also demonstrates how college football is such a big part of southern identity. for this particular guy, football is proof that southerns are better. easy to hold onto that myth as long as you don’t actually ever meet anyone from outside the south. gotta love those self-reinforcing stereotypes- especially if it means lots of self-flattery.

      i’ve lived all over the country and no where else does college football have the meaning it does in the south. it’s one reason why SEC teams are so good so consistently, because football is THE only sport that really matters here. it’s not like that everywhere else in the country. ALL the best athletes here pretty much want to play football.

      check out this link on how much money is spent and made on college football in 2012.

      Oregon was # 23 in spending. guess who was # 1 and #3? Auburn and Alabama. #4, 7, 11, 12, 13, 21? other SEC teams: Florida, Arkansas, South Carolina, Georgia, LSU, Tennessee. all these programs are very profitable, but the profit margin for southern teams (with stadiums all twice as large as Oregon’s) is also much larger. Tennessee spent slightly more than Oregon on their program, but made 6x more profit. Alabama spent almost twice as much as Oregon, but profit was also 6x more. Oregon football earns a 50% profit, which is pretty good compared to wall street; but SEC teams in the top 25 collectively earn 150% and four of them – including UT- earn 200% profit. the spending and especially the profit are probably good indicators of what football means in the south- especially in Alabama.
      Money and profit obviously don’t automatically equate to wins on the field though. Texas was #6 in spending, and then still earned a 400% profit in 2012 despite their 5-4 record in the Big 12 that year. other southern schools in top 25 for spending: #17, Virginia Tech; #22, Florida State; and #24, Clemson.

  3. As a Carolina fan I choose not to root for other SEC teams except UF playing for a NC, and as far as the $ goes the check the NC team gets is just as much as the loser of the NC game so the profit sharing would be the same in that regard. My reason for not rooting for them mostly is the recruiting issue, I seen a 5 star RB in high school last year who had been committed to UGA since his Soph yr flip flop and committ and sign with Bama. Now I’m sure that winning 3 nat’l championships in 4 yrs had nothing to do with that at all. Funny how some of these fans say they’ll root for the other team in the NC game yet I live extreme SE Georgia on the GA/FL line and when UF played for the title in 06 & 08 I didn’t know of one single UGA fan that rooted for them. I just have the mindset I guess that I’m a Carolina fan and not an SEC fan so I kinda agree with Herbie, even though the outcome was what I expected for the SEC homers if you’re gonna claim all the big wins you take the lumps too. And as an aside I would love to see Bama and Oregon play because I think Oregon would/will legitimately thump Bama by 2-3 td’s. To much speed on the Oregon team.

    • Do you have any idea how good Bama’s D is? Oregon would have minus yardage against the Tide. The Quackers aren’t in the same league.

    • Kirk has no argument here. Nobody is disclaiming Tennessee for getting thumped by Oregon. Nobody expected any different outcome. And as far as giving Oregon respect goes….they haven’t earned it. Okay, they beat Tennessee. Wow. What an accomplishment. They beat a team that went 5-7 last year (1-7 in SEC play) and are reconstructing under a new coach. Is that all it takes to gain respect?? What about when Oregon played LSU? Or how about when Oregon played an Auburn team that had an average, at best, defense? They didn’t even put up 20 points against them. The SEC fans aren’t trying to claim victories that other teams in the conference win. As another reader said yesterday, when Michael Phelps was winning medal after medal, the fans weren’t chanting USA USA USA because they were claiming to have won with Michael. It’s a pride thing.

      • “They didn’t even put up 20 points against them.” 19 is close enough for me.

      • n8d1
        Commented : 7 months ago

        Have you even gone back to look at the scores of the game Auburn played? South Carolina only scored 17 against them but let Auburn score 59! So much for that SEC defense. SC was ranked #19 at the time too. Let’s see, Oregon also held Auburn to less points than ANY SEC team that year except for Ole Miss….who only scored 14 against them. #6 LSU only scored 17 on Auburn as well. Auburns D was better than average. Nice try.

  4. Why should SEC fans claim the Tennessee loss to Oregon when Oregon fans still won’t own up the the fact that both Auburn and LSU have trounced them in recent years. It’s a two way Herb street Herbie….

    • LOL TROUNCED? You have a pretty weak definition of getting trounced with you consider +3 point and +13 points respectively a “trouncing” Now, how about you start living in reality.

    • Yes Oregon lost to Auburn. How many SEC teams beat Auburn that year? And yes Oregon lost to LSU. How many SEC teams beat LSU that year??? Just Bama after they lost once. People act like Oregon would get killed because of two games they lost to two SEC teams that no other SEC teams beat that year either.

  5. I’m not sure why anybody is mad at what he’s saying. He’s right, if we pump our fists and pound our chest when an SEC team dominates a non conference opponent and talk about SEC dominance then we should be able to take it on the chin when one of our teams gets whipped. We can’t just claim the good SEC teams we need to claim all of them. That being said bring on Oregon. Roll Tide Roll.

    • Okay, but who has said anything about “disclaiming” Tennessee? I mean no, you don’t see people running down the road yelling yayyyyy tennessee lost!! But that’s because nobody does that. I don’t think anybody is really disappointed in Tennessee. That beatdown was expected.

      • That’s true but the response was ‘yea well play a real SEC team then see what happens’. Oregon technically did play a ‘real’ SEC team (being as TN is in the SEC) and beat them. Is TN Bama? Hell no, but it’s still an SEC team. The sense of entitlement is what gives us SEC fans a bad rap.

      • i think a lot of people were surprised by how well Oregon did- even in Oregon. many commentators and fans were wondering if Tennessee might actually upset Oregon- go back and look at the pre-game opinions… and those fans and commentators DID attribute that possibility to UT being SEC and having such a good offensive line. of course, the first touchdown by UT seemed to strengthen that notion… go back and listen to the comments during that part of the game. of course, as soon as it was obvious that things were going south (no pun intended) all the SEC fans were pretty quick to label UT as bottom feeders. it will be interesting to see how they do against the teams they are more used to seeing. i would expect them to be better, so if they do well against Florida, SEC fans can just say that Tennessee had a bad day.

        this year’s Ducks are probably better than previous years- much better than the 2010 and 2011 versions. they are loaded across the board with talent now… and very deep in almost every position- deep with talent. they’re still a bit under-sized compared to the SEC, but bigger than 2010, and faster and more talented.
        of course, don’t forget, the transitive law doesn’t apply in college football.

        • n8d1
          Commented : 7 months ago

          Exactly. The Analyst are still saying Tennessee has the best line in the SEC, if not the country. They may not be refering to statistics but rather the talent that was recruited.

  6. why does all sec fans act like oregon got thumped and has no chance against any sec team. in the nc oregon lost by a field goal…harldly call that not hanging in there. In 2011 oregon put more points on LSU than any other team in 2011 INCLUDING SEC TEAMS!. again how does that make oregon have “no chance” Sounds like kirk isnt saying the sec isnt a competitive confrence. Sounds like hes making a point of the degree of competition isnt as far apart as SEC fans claim it to be. Anybody can beat anybody on any given saturday, UF and UG point proven. And if i remember correctly everyone was saying when a&m entered the sec they would be the SEC DOORMAT! Turns out to be legitamate competitors……hmmm

  7. What Herbstreit is saying, while trying not to piss off the TN fans, is that Oregon not only beat TN two times in 3 years, they put more points on TN than ANY other team in Neyland, which obviously includes all SEC teams; and then this year Oregon beat TN by more points than ANY other team since 1910!

    In addition, what Herbstreit is saying is that Oregon dominated BOTH lines against TN last weekend even when TN was voted by SEC coaches as having the best OL in ALL of the SEC.

    What Herbstreit is saying, and that ALL of you SEC honks are missing, is that you CANNOT draw conclusions about ANY collegiate football team due to their PAST teams. College football teams change year to year due to graduation, recruiting and eligibility. OR now has a huge DL that is larger, more athletic and much deeper than any DL they have ever had – they literally had their way with TN’s OL – Butch Jones cited this same fact after the game – he said that BOTH Oregon’s lines dominated. If you add in the fact t hat Oregon is also considered to have one of the best, if not THE best, secondaries in the country, you have the best Oregon team ever assembled. Everyone looks at their ‘”fast” and prolific Offense and then instantly believe they are small and not physical…. well, tell that to Butch Jones! Tell that to TN’s highly touted, best in the SEC, OL!

    Oregon is coming. And after seeing Bama struggle AGAIN with a spread offense, Oregon is NOT scared.

    • Keep in mind, those have also been some of the worst Tennessee teams to ever take the field. I’d like to see rematch with Oregon 3 or 4 years down the road

      • But that’s not Oregon’s fault. They play who’s on their schedule. A win is a win, enough with the ‘let’s see a rematch in 20 yrs’ talk. Take the loss like a man.

    • Mike
      Commented : 7 months ago

      Bama will not face an offense as good as A&M’s all year, and that’s including if they play Oregon. We can’t base what Oregon’s done in the past couple of years against SEC teams because there isn’t much to go off of. Beat Tennesee twice (yawn) and lost to LSU and Auburn. Really though Oregon people don’t flame an SEC website with talk of Oregon stacks up vs the SEC. At least wait until they do something other than win the PAC 12………that bein said I woul love to see Bama-Oregon. You have probably the best Oregon team maybe ever, and Oregon would catch Bama on a somewhat down year a far as their defense.

  8. Lsu and Auburn both beat Oregon 2 years ago. Different time, different era…….what? Oregon beat Tennessee because they are very good and are a top 3 team. Tennessee is rebuilding and I would rate them a top 30 team right now. I am a Tennessee fan, born and raised in knoxville. Heck it crushed me watching the Oregon game, but hell I would say Oregon is the #2 team right now. Oregon would do that to any team outside of the top 10 right now. Herbstreit is a little jealous of SEC dominince right now. I have even heard him on his broadcast saying that looking back he wished he went to an SEC school because it is WAR day in and day out in the SEC. Football is life in the SEC and the south. Football games are a atmosphere at SEC schools, not saying they are not elsewhere, but just go to one and you will understand.

    • If it’s not SEC FOOTBALL is it really “real football”? LOL (just joking, before some other conference gets their tidy whities in a knot.)

  9. Well, every conference has to have at least one LOSER team…………. it’s just the way it is…..