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How the big four recruiting services rank SEC teams a week before signing day

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It’s pretty consistent–and pretty amazing to think about: If you’re roughly one of the SEC’s top 10 teams, recruiting wise, in the SEC–it translates to a national top 25 ranking.

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And if Vanderbilt’s class hadn’t fallen apart after James Franklin left, the Commodores might also be included in this mix.

Here’s a look at the four main recruiting services and how they rank the SEC classes one week away from national signing day. If a program can survive this talent gauntlet, it could compete anywhere.

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SCHOOL RIVALS SCOUT ESPN 247SPORTS COMPOSITE
Alabama 1* 1* 1* 1*
Arkansas 11 11 11 11
Auburn 7* 5* 6* 5*
Florida 5* 6* 5* 7*
Georgia 6* 7* 7* 6*
Kentucky 8* 9* 9* 9*
LSU 4* 4* 3* 3*
Mississippi State 13 13 13 13
Missouri 12 10 12 12
Ole Miss 9* 8* 8* 8*
South Carolina 10* 12 10 10*
Tennessee 3* 2* 4* 4*
Texas A&M 2* 3* 2* 2*
Vanderbilt 14 14 N/R 14

 (*) – Indicates this class is within the service’s national top 25





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  1. The coaching staff at Missouri are good teachers, BUT, Henry Josey (all conf as freshman) and Maty Mauk (startable as freshman) and Shane Ray and Eric Biesel and so many others are not being robotically programed. These athletes are simply better than the rating people think to start with, then they have good teachers on top of this. So just keep up the bologna rating people, cause it just helps the Tigers shock people year after year. You can’t win the big 12 north or the SEC east with four recruiting classes that all hover down around rank 50th no matter how good your coaches. This just shows how far the rating people really have to go turn their craft from alchemy to science.

    • Wolf —- I totally agree. I always thought Mauk was better than a 3-star kid and I put him on the Parade All American first team because of it. Felt the same way about Manziel and that’s why I put HIM on first team because of it. The ratings are based on a lot of things … some of them are legit. Some can be questioned.

      • Brian, your recruiting news is great. The only thing missing is more from you. There is so much more to talk about here college football fans can enjoy without invading high school kids space. Missouri is one of only about a half dozen NCAA programs to land 26 recruits this year. The most recent being receiver 6’3 195 pound Kenyon Delosa. Even if Pinkel and staff are slightly off their average of very smart picks, this class is monster good. I can’t be the only person on planet football that looks at these kid’s resumes and film and see Saturday night primetime highlights. Don’t get me wrong, the whole SEC has amazing recruiting classes but holy cow, just for example, i saw one Missouri recruit who not only knocks his blocking assignment down almost every time but his assignment doesn’t even get up till the play is over. How many times do you see that? and that’s just one impressive young man among many.

        • Missouri recruits solid recruiting classes, # 36 last year # 31 this year. Of the 22 recruits last season 4 were 4-Star and of the 26 recruit commitments for 2014 again 4 are 4-Star. Missouri played 4 good teams and won 2 beating Oklahoma State in their bowl game and beating Texas A & M who themselves did not beat anyone who beat a ranked team for the 2013-2014 season. Missouri lost to Auburn and Missouri lost to South Carolina. This is a solid performance. Missouri is ranked for the season # 5 for this. Missouri played 4 teams and lost 2 of the 4. Your wins over Georgia and Florida, which propelled you to national top rankings in the polls 2013, after a very soft schedule until those 2 wins at the time were over ranked teams neither of whom are considered any good. I would not brag so much about what you did coaching up the recruits ranked # 36 or # 31 nationally, when what you did was one year run up your won/loss record playing 4 good teams and having to show for it a win over a Texas A & M team who themselves did not beat any team ranked for the season and Oklahoma State who has their win over Choke-la-homa. Those are your only 2 wins. Not that impressive. It’s more impressive to talk about being ranked # 5 in the nation in the AP Poll for 2013-2014 season. You’ve played 2 seasons in The SEC and are 9 wins 8 losses against SEC opponents. Now, what was it you said about how poorly the Recruiting Services rank only your recruits paid all these millions to rank teams and recruits, and how well your coaching staff coaches up your unfairly poorly ranked recruits so far against The SEC ?

        • Sorry you’re a hater and jayhawk type. Try going to the ESPN 300 or other lists and look for commitment trends, this will make things a little more clear to you. We all know ranking has a limited value because of lack of common opponents, but if any poll does have value it is the final-after-bowl-games poll. Since YOU want to include past years records, Missouri has one of the best all time records against SEC opponents. (29-17-2) just by memory. As for the end of your comment about recruiting services and rankings and being paid millions, if you can remember what you were thinking and explain it better, just address it to the 126 other NCAA Division I football programs you consider to be no good. Why would you even watch? Common opponents are also one important reason why recruiting services are guessing, along with the fact that 17 year old boys are a long ways from 23 year old men, who are a long ways from seasoned NFL pros. We shouldn’t expect voters to be smarter, we should expect them to realistic about the data they have and their unsupported conclusions. (same for the AP, and BCS).

    • I may be recently new to this site, but I can already see that you Wolfman, know what you’re talking about! Absolutely agree that the “star system” for young college bound kids, while entertaining for us college football enthusiasts, …is likely flawed AND often just a popularity contest. Mizzou is making a habit of getting MANY kids who are 3 or 4 star, but their work ethic & “team focus” is off the charts! Blue collar kids not afraid to work hard who KNOW they will not be allowed to become a diva while at Mizzou. Coach Pinkel, rightfully so, believes strongly in football being a team sport…. hence, he handed out the first game ball of his 35 year career to an individual last season, the hard working, inspiring quiet leader, Henry Josey.

      • Reed — a lot of times it’s just based on height, weight, speed, etc …. AND early college offers. I wouldn’t say it’s as subjective as a popularity contest, but it’s certainly not as objective as a track meet where the fastest guy wins the 100 meters.

    • The Tigers of Missouri don’t shock anybody year after year. They just had 1 good year. They will very soon find their way to the bottom of the SEC. The recruiting rankings listed here will be the end of year rankings soon enough. .

  2. ADB
    Commented : 3 months ago

    Lets just see if 3 and a few 4 ‘s can win SEC Championship? I got a box if Krispy Kremes that say no frigging way. Not compete year in and year out. I don’t care if John Heisman is the coach. It’s all about recruiting. You can’t compete for an SEC Championship every year with 3 star recruits. Sorry

    • Well they just competed for one year? I love Krispy Kremes, send them to P.O. box 309, 64628. Thanks ADB, your ideas are widely subscribed. There are four components to being a great recruit. 1. the physical (size, speed, %bodyfat, power, withstanding injury, etc.)
      2. technical (ability to execute skills and apply concepts to the physical game)
      3. endurance (cardiovascular and local muscular tissue composition and structure, and training
      4. psychological (added together for every position greater than any of the other three)
      Have you ever seen a recruit assessment that exhaustively accounts all four of these?

      Then add the fact that recruits don’t win championships nearly as much as seniors do. And all four of the above apply to the development of great senior over 5 years or more.

      This is why so many teams among the best recruit ratings fail to win championships. So it doesn’t hurt to have good recruit ratings but it far from a punched ticket. Wait a minute, if you are a recruit and somebody has already called you the best and a punched ticket, maybe it does hurt.

    • Exactly right!

  3. we have consistently recruited classes that end up in the 30′s nationwide but we have consistentlyin two good conferences finished in the top 15 nationally. I don’t believe a class that ranks 12 in the SEC will consistently compete for a sec title. but we will consistently finish twice as good as our recuiting ranking. Go hate on that! by consistently I mean 8 of the last 10 years

    • This set off a chain reaction where everything he writes just makes Missouri relative to their recruiting rankings look better and better and the reason I’m really having fun with this is the 2013 recruits who still haven’t played like Printz and Biesel, plus another great class 2014 that is under-rated. See you at Memorial Zoucat!

  4. or something close to that

  5. and you can chill wolfman, we’re East champs and got a shot at it again next year. we don’t have to defend how good we are as hard as we did early in the season. now we can just kick back and enjoy being fans of the east champs and fans of a top 5 team. there are fans of only four other teams that can say that this year. so nyah!

    • Draft : FSU—AL—-FL—LSU—GA—USC–USCe–Ga tek–Louis
      2013…11 ….9 …..8……9….….8…..4………7………0………0
      2012.…4……8……2.…..5.…….7…..3………6…..….1…..….1
      2011.…3……5……4.…..6.…….6…..9………2………1………3
      2010.…3.…..7..…..9.…..6.…….5…..7……..2………1……….0
      2009.…1……4..…..3.…..6.…….6…..11……..7………4…..….2
      2008.…3……0..…..2.…..7.…….4…..10……..1………3…..….5
      2007.…5……3..…..9.…..5.…….5…..5………2………1……..3
      2006.…8……5..…..3.…..7.…….7…..11…….2………3….……3
      2005.…9……4..…..3.…..3.…….6…..5…..…3…..….0………6
      2004.…5……4..…..5.…..0.…….4…..4……..3………4………0
      2003.…6……5..…..8.…..4.…….7…..5……..3………1………4
      2002.…3……4..…..8.…..5.…….8…..2……..5………1………0
      2001.…9……3..…..4.…..3.…….6…..3….…..0………0………1
      Total…70….61..…68…..66……79….79……43…….19……..28

      Mark Richt era Recruiting Rankings :

      Year-FSU—AL—-FL—LSU—GA—USC—USCe–Ga tek–Louis
      2014….4….1…….13……7…..12…..18……..35…..48…..36
      2013…16…9……..6……8……..3……5…….24…..72…..50
      2012..11…2………5……6…….14…..20……..13….59…..42
      2011…1…7………26…..9…….5……4………11….46…..33
      2010…9….4………1……7…….21…..5………31….41…..44
      2009…18…2……..21…..3……..4……9………13…..32…..64
      2008…8…..1……..12…..7……..5…..9………34…..37…..54
      2007…33…22……..1…..5…….17…..2………7……15…..47
      2006…12..18………2…..7…..…4……1……..33….49……26
      2005…3…16……..11…..19…..…4…..6…….20…..48…..43
      2004…4…19………8……2…..…6…..1……..28…..35…..54
      2003..12…45………4……2…….11…..1…….15…..34…..48
      2002…6….37……..20…..15…….9…..12……..18….51….56
      2001…5….25……..16…..15…….5……7……..21…..49…..46
      AVG..11…16……..10……8…….8…..6…….21…….44…..45

      Total…70..61…..…68…..66…….79….79…….43……19….28
      AVG..11…16……..10……8……….8……6……..21..…..44…..45

      2001-2013 Mark Richt Era Most Wins :

      # 1 Boise State 145-24
      # 2 Oklahoma 140 -34
      # 3 Louisiana State 135-36
      # 4 Texas 131-37
      # 5 Georgia 126-45
      # 6 Virginia Tech 125-48
      # 7 Oregon 124-42
      # 8 Ohio State 124-31
      # 9 Texas Christian 120-43
      # 10 Florida 120-48

      # 11 Southern California 118-36
      # 12 Wisconsin 116-54
      # 13 Auburn 116-51
      # 14 Nebraska 112-58
      # 15 Louisville 111-53
      # 16 Utah 110-51
      # 17 Miami of Florida 110-53
      # 18 West Virginia 109-55
      # 19 BYU 108-57
      # 20 Northern Illinois 108-58

      # 21 Clemson 108-59
      # 22 Florida State 107-52
      # 23 Texas Tech 107-59
      # 24 Fresno State 106-64
      # 25 Michigan 105-59

      # 25 Oklahoma State 105-59
      # 27 Cincinnati 104-61
      # 28 Iowa 104-60
      # 29 South Carolina 102-61
      # 30 Missouri 102-63

      • What are these ‘recruiting rankings’ that you list here? Alabama had the top class in 2013, and your table says 9? 7 in 2011?

        • No, recruiting table is the 2nd table, and it shows Alabama as # 1 class for 2014. The 1st table is number of NFL Draft Picks and shows Alabama for 2013 with 9 Drafted by the NFL Draft. The reason there are 3 tables Mark Richt Era 2001-2014 are that some folks even on this blog act as if the recruiting rankings are totally B.S. when, as you can see from the 9 NFL Draft Picks of your Alabama last NFL Draft 2013, completely validates the recruiting rankings. The facts are on this point Darviathar that a recruit is far more likely to go on to the NFL if they are ranked one of the top at their position nationally, than not. This point has been proven every year in every study Darviathar. Thus, 3 tables, 1st the # Drafted in the NFL Draft, the rankings in the computers and then the # of wins by that team for the period 2001-2013. For Georgia, Mark Richt has averaged the # 8 recruiting class 2001-2014 (2014 is where they are ranked today with some changes to the table once the final rankings are announced), which you can see on the chart is matched only by Southern California USC for brevity and by LSU, and you can validate those recruiting rankings by these Major Services with how many are Drafted by the NFL with the # of NFL Draft Picks 2001-2013 Mark Richt Era of 66 NFL Draft Picks LSU, 79 by Southern California and 79 for Georgia. I have a 3rd chart at the bottom showing the # of wins by each team 2002-2013. This shows that UGA is # 5 in the nation in # of wins 2001-2013 at 126 wins 2001-2013. It shows too that LSU has considerably more wins with 135, which one would expect with LSU having won 2 national championships Mark Richt Era 1 by Nick Saban and 1 by Les Miles # 3 in # of wins LSU 2001-2013, while Alabama has only 101 wins 47 Losses 2001-2013 for # 31 in wins 2001-2013. It is my contention that recruiting rankings are a very valuable tool, as most of the posters to this blog have also pointed out to determine who the good teams are, that these recruiting rankings nationally are validated by the NFL Draft for these recruits and that the # of wins are validated by the # of NFL Draft Picks, and by the recruiting rankings.