3 matchups that will define Florida vs. Florida State (and a prediction)
Florida and Florida State meet for the 68th time on Saturday in Tallahassee (7 pm, ESPN2).
The game features 2 programs headed in very different directions.
The Seminoles are 2-9, a stunning turn of events from the preseason, when Florida State was a top 10 team projected to make the College Football Playoff after a 13-0 regular season ended in a Playoff snub in 2023.
The Gators are 6-5, typically nothing to write home about, but the way they’ve gotten there is impressive. Florida lost 2 home games by a combined 37 points in the months of August and September, putting embattled coach Billy Napier on the chopping block. Florida’s high level boosters even raised $27 million to pay Napier’s buyout in the week after a humbling home loss to Texas A&M.
Not many coaches survive rock bottom, but Napier seems to have stared down adversity with an alligator’s grin. Playing a daunting schedule, the Gators have rattled off 2 of the nation’s most impressive wins in November, defeating then-No. 22 LSU and then-No. 9 Ole Miss in back-to-back weeks. Florida won both games by being the better team on both lines of scrimmage, showing a physicality Florida has lacked this decade. Most important, the Gators have a budding star in freshman quarterback DJ Lagway, who is 4-0 in games he has started and finished. Lagway leads the nation in success rate on passes of 30 yards or more (64%) and seems to have the rare ability to raise the level of play around him.
As Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin put it last week, “DJ is a special player. He’s the kind of player who makes everyone around him better. It’s remarkable to be that poised as a freshman.”
Florida State has won 2 straight in this old rivalry, and the Seminoles will be playing to salvage something from a nightmare of a season. Florida will be looking for its first win in this rivalry under Napier and their first season with more than 1 rivalry win since 2020.
The better team tends to win in this game, which lacks the unpredictability and upsets associated with other storied rivalries. But that doesn’t mean anything comes easy. Underdogs have covered in the past 3 matchups. Florida enters as a 17 point favorite on the road, per DraftKings Sportsbook.
Here are 3 matchups that will define Florida and Florida State.
Luke Kromenhoek vs. Florida’s pressure
Florida State will start their own blue-chip true freshman. Kromenhoek made his first career start last week, completing 13-of-20 passes for 209 yards and 3 TDs in FSU’s 41-7 win over Charleston Southern. Kromenhoek began the year No. 3 on FSU’s depth chart, behind starter DJ Uiagelelei and backup Brock Glenn. Uiagelelei was lost for the season due to a hand injury he suffered against SMU. Glenn started the next 5 games, but was benched after a dismal 5-for-18, 51-yard, 2-interception performance at then-No. 10 Notre Dame. Enter Kromenhoek, a 4-star quarterback from Savannah with outstanding arm strength and toughness, having been a star safety in high school as well.
Charleston Southern, a 1-win FCS team, offered little resistance for the Seminoles, but coach Mike Norvell hopes it got Kromenhoek comfortable ahead of Saturday night’s test against Florida.
“He threw the 3 touchdown passes and made a lot of good decisions. There’s some throws that he missed, some parts of different reads and progressions where I think he’s going to continue to even become that much more efficient around it. He’ll progress,” Norvell told the media this week.
He’ll have to do so in a hurry against a Florida defense that has gotten after the quarterback at a high level. Florida produced 7 sacks against an LSU offensive line that had allowed just 6 the entire season. Against Ole Miss, Florida sacked Heisman hopeful Jaxson Dart, the national leader in passing efficiency, 4 times.
What was most impressive in each game was Florida’s ability to get pressure with just 4.
Florida defensive tackle Caleb Banks has been a massive reason for Florida’s success. Here, Banks shows how he can affect the quarterback without even registering a sack. On this play, Banks pushes the guard off the snap back into the pocket as Dart finishes his drop. It is enough to where Dart has to move up, disrupting the timing of the play and eventually resulting in a loss. Over the past 2 games, Banks has a nation-high 14 pressures. Those have resulted in 8 quarterback hurries, 3 sacks and 5 quarterback hits. Those numbers would be good for an entire defensive line, let alone one player.
Florida’s disruptive tackles have caused even veteran quarterbacks to feel ghosts and believe they have less time than the pocket suggests.
Take this play later against Ole Miss. Cam Jackson (99) wins off the point of attack, but the pocket still holds, even if it is pushed a step deeper than Dart may like. Jackson also never gets home, but Dart elects to leave the pocket anyway. He throws incomplete and Ole Miss settles for a field goal — their lone score of the second half.
Florida also produced bad decisions with pressure, as on this interception by Dart late in the game (30 seconds into video). Again, Florida’s tackles push the pocket back, but this time, the defensive ends win their rep, closing outside. Dart steps up and has to hurry his throw, leading to an interception by Bryce Thornton to seal the win for Florida.
Florida was playing at home in the LSU and Ole Miss wins, of course, which allows them to use crowd noise to gain a small advantage off the snap. But those dominant games came against established, proven starters in Dart and LSU’s Garrett Nussmeier.
None of Florida defensive line would start at FSU.
— Bud Elliott (@BudElliott3) August 24, 2024
While some college football minds have alleged Florida lacks talent on the defensive line, the numbers say this group ranks top 10 in pressures and sacks over their past 5 games.
That’s a nasty test for FSU, and Luke Kromenhoek will have to make quality, safe decisions to give FSU a chance to pull the upset.
Florida outside zone runs vs. Florida State’s edge contain
Florida controlled the clock in their win over Ole Miss by rushing for 164 yards against the nation’s number 2 run defense.
The Gators were most successful in a Napier staple — outside zone, where Florida averaged 4.5 yards per play, per SEC Stat Cat. While that was below their season average of 5.8 yards per play in that concept, it was enough to keep the Rebels defense off balance and keep the Gators multiple offensively.
Against LSU, Florida was also successful in outside zone, salting the game away on this pitch to Jadan Baugh in the concept.
https://twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1857934957668110647
Between Baugh and senior Montrell Johnson, the Gators’ top 2 running backs average over 6 yards per carry in outside zone concepts over the past 5 games.
This could present a mismatch for FSU’s defense, which has struggled to contain the edge this season. The Seminoles have surrendered 5.4 yards per rush on outside zone concepts this season, a huge reason their run defense ranks 106th in the country.
Jadarian Price GASHES Florida State for the 61-yard score! 💨 #GoIrish
📺 NBC & Peacock pic.twitter.com/zatzfWqfc5
— Notre Dame on NBC (@NDonNBC) November 10, 2024
FSU then tends to bring cat pressure to help seal the edge, which makes them vulnerable on inside zone if linebackers fail to fit gaps. This run by Jadarian Price is exemplary, and it’s also the type of run where Johnson thrives (6.3 per touch). Florida State has surrendered 67 explosive runs (10 yards or more) this season, ranking 119th in the country in that category.
It’s hard to see FSU surviving the Florida run game on Saturday if those numbers don’t improve.
DJ Lagway vs. “The Big Mistake”
To date, DJ Lagway has avoided disastrous throws, save this throw which came on Lagway’s first pass attempt on the road after Graham Mertz left the Tennessee game with a season-ending injury.
When Arion Carter picked off DJ Lagway the crowd inside Neyland went to another level pic.twitter.com/l462NVHxox
— CHANNEL TN (@CHANNEL_TN_) October 13, 2024
On this pass, Tennessee just dropped a linebacker into zone late. Lagway didn’t see Arion Carter until the ball was released. The play changed the trajectory of a game Florida once led by 10 points. Lagway also threw an interception against Ole Miss that the Rebels quickly turned into a touchdown, but that came off a tip on a catchable pass to Chimere Dike.
To win Saturday, Florida State must do what SEC teams haven’t yet done and make Lagway look like a true freshman. Confuse him, pressure him with their outstanding defensive ends, and hope he throws into coverage a few times.
If Lagway avoids costly mistakes, Florida likely wins.
Prediction: Florida 35, Florida State 10
The Gators are rolling and will finish the regular season strong by dominating a down and out rival. Expect FSU to hang close for a half, but the Gators will churn out run game explosives to open the downfield pass for Lagway and the Florida offense late. The Gators turn a 1-score game into a rout by the 4th quarter and secure their first winning season since 2020 on Bobby Bowden Field.
The semis only hope is that Billy reverts to stupid and bungles the game as he has so many others. I’m thinking we will not see Stupid Billy. Go Gators!
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I think more like 41-13.
While the game would be shortened and the score kept down by Billy bludgeoning the Clowns with the run, I think a few of those runs will get to the house from outside the red zone. That and the couple of obligatory DJ bombs.
Ordinarily this would be a classic spot for a letdown and an upset alert. Not this time. Not with these Gators. I expect them to be relentless.
Neil… it’s Ron Zook field.
I wonder what Bud Elliot has to say about the Florida DL right now :D it should be a good game for the Gators and I hope they have a dominant win!
Since Elliot’s comment was before the season opener it really shows how much he depended on optics instead of looking at the tapes. Oh my how things have changed GFA.
I hope you and your family had a great Thanksgiving. Now it’s time to beat the guys in the ugliest uniforms ever conceived.
We did, I hope yours did as well! Lots of good food.
I think that many analysts were looking at FSU with rose colored glasses at the beginning of the year. From my perspective, they weren’t going to be as good as the previous year because of all they lost, but I wouldn’t have guessed that they would do this badly.
Elliott is a smart guy but clearly not objective when it comes to Florida and FSU.
CBN better not let off the gas. Score and score some more if possible. Get them down and don’t let them get up under any circumstances. He needs to send a message that if toughness is going to be our identity then do it right.
This game is a real test of Napier’s ability to motivate. The Spear Chuckers are down, the game is on the road, the Gators have already qualified for a bowl game and his job is safe for another year. That’s a recipe for the Gators not showing up.
It’s a major rivalry game. If the Gators don’t smoke the Holes, Sunbelt Billy still has a problem motivating himself and his players to rise to playoff level competitiveness next season. Without that motivation, the Gators will never rise above 500 level mediocrity.
I just can’t see the Gators not being motivated. Maybe if they had a win streak against FSU and hadn’t gone through adversity, maybe, but since the first bye this team seems to have a never give up and put forth good effort attitude. I’m looking forward to the game tomorrow!
We’ll see tonight.
The defense was definitely motivated! :D
The Gators won’t need any extra motivation for this game. They are having fun and making up for lost time at the start of the season.
Also, I suspect that one additional benefit of not over-relying on the portal is that your in-state high school recruits have a thorough understanding of the rivalry. And the opposite is true for portal mercenaries.
I fervently hope you’re right Nash. All I’m looking for is proof of concept, so we have less to worry about next season, with Napier still in charge.
I also don’t want to see our Gators walk into Hard Rock Stadium next September and lay another egg vs. the Canes due to being unprepared and under-motivated. Alas, that’ll have to wait till next year.
BTW, in terms of HS vs. portal recruiting, the 2025 HS class has 19 commits, the outgoing senior class has 19 members. Looks to me like the portal will mostly be used to backfill for junior NFL draft declares and any portal departures.
I’m curious to see if some of the juniors on both sides of the ball come back.
I think Caleb Banks and Jason Marshall, Jr. are the only two who could have high value as juniors, although Marshall might be advised to come back and prove he can still play after the injury. Sapp is great but probably needs another year of film. Jake Slaughter should be well paid to stay, if he’s thinking of declaring.
Badger might have another year, but he’s a high round draft choice right now and almost certainly gone.
Banks is almost certainly gone. He’s been reputed to be playing at 1st round DC level. Marshall would’ve been gone too, but for the injury that may combine with a good NIL package to stick around and improve his draft position.
If Slaughter and Barber can both be enticed to return with good NIL packages, the OL will lose only one starter, at RT. That would be awesome!
At WR, Mizzel and Hawkins may be ready to step up for Dike and Badger. Wilson should return as the slot WR. This is a room that should pick up some added experience via the portal.
A lot of folks are not taking free shoes university seriously. I think people need to step back a bit and take the grand picture in for a few moments with a grain of salt. Florida got back to bowl eligibility because the team didn’t quit. They were tired of losing and it is the same players on that field now as we saw in week 1 when miami embarrassed UF on it’s home turf. This team as a whole rose up and fought back.
FSU has nothing to play for at this point in the season but pride and the chance to spoil Florida’s “feel good” story in November. Take that with the fact that UF has poached 3 of their recruits from their class, and I bet you that they are pissed off and are going to fight. Anyone who things we are just going to stroll into Gene William’s garden of child molestation and roll out with a 4 or 5 touchdown win isn’t taking this seriously enough.
The exact same fight and determination that resuscitated Florida’s season can come from FSU. They are no less talented on that roster than the Gators are, and their players have got to have some pride in them and something to fight for in this rivalry game. I doubt this game is as easy as everyone is assuming it is.
Grout, I would normally agree with you and I do to a degree of not taking them lightly. Blackmon pointed out a very important aspect of free shoes defense not protecting the edge. Baugh can eat them alive in that area. DJ is going to play smart and CBN will take time off the clock. If we do that then that forces the holes quarterback, a true freshman, to win the game with fewer possessions. This will undoubtedly force the kid to make mistakes. We have grabbed the lead in the first quarter in many of our games lately only for our defense to let us down. I just don’t see that happening in this game.
Agree gromit. Billy and this team’s margin for error is razor thin. They need to prepare against every opponent with the same level of intensity they showed against uga. Until Billy shows he can win consistently I won’t take anything for granted against any team.
Les, I think you and Marsh are saying the same thing in different ways. Based on what FSU has shown to date from the get-go, and what the Gators have progressively demonstrated in the last 60+% of the season, logic dictates a convincing win by the Gators ….. I ‘feel’ that too, doesn’t even require any orange & blue sunglasses to arrive there …. but the key words are worth bearing in mind:
“Razor thin error margin”, “Intensity”, “Prepare”, and “Take nothing for granted”. As this Gator team continues to develop, our fortunes still hang on those. Not even throwing in a few boneheaded play calls, since we can absorb those if we maintain those 4 things. We’ve to the opportunity to wind up 2024 at 8-5 – not great by the Gator standards we’re traditionally accustomed to, but in context of the hole we’ve been in for the last 4 years, finally a great predictor of the future. GO YOU GO GATORS!!!
Exactly, from where they were to where they are now is reason to be optimistic if they finish strong, because there’s a good chance that they’ll come back next season better and more experienced and continue the upward trajectory. One good sign, out of many, is the fact that the backups that have stepped in for the starters due to injury have played very well, so there hasn’t been too much of a decrease in play because of all the injuries.
What? “They are no less talented on that roster than the Gators are”. Both their offensive and defensive lines are missing depth and have had a really bad year, the QB is no J.D., and they have three new field coaches. Half Ass U is a dumpster fire that will burn bright into next year. 2025 new, quality recruits will be few.
It’s gonna be fun watching their fans leave early third quarter.
Hopefully the semis will have some recruits visiting so Billy can flip some more of them!
Norvell would probably be conflicted about having Solomon Thomas at this game.
Solomon would be a huge steal, literally and figuratively.
Now that the DJ giddy patrol prognosticators have spoken and determined that the East Florida Seminary lizards will destroy the Florida State College for Women’s spearchunkers in every phase of the game, I guess it’s time for an unbiased fan’s take of this year’s Makala Trophy contestants, no charge and you’re welcome…
In spite of the G8rs perceived difficult schedule this year, fact of the matter is that they have only had 4 true road games (actually 3 if you count Jxvlle as a semi-home game) and have floundered to a 1-3 record with the only victory coming against a team that has the same issue as the spearchunkers do, that issue being that they really suk, can’t stop the run, and they are loaded with first year players, that team being Miss State. On the flip side, this game is essentially FSUs bowl game, it’s at home, it’s going to be cold ( by Florida standards) and it’s a heated rivalry.
So with all this said, let’s get out the trusty 8-ball, give it a good ol humpy shake, and ask the question all of G8r nation wants to know, does Billy and the boys leave Tallahissy with the W?
“Reply hazy, try again”
I hate non-conmittal answers, let’s shake this mother again…
Here we go, and the official answer is
“Signs point to yes”
There you go lizard fans, 7-5 and saving Billy’s job, just like my trusty magic sphere and a projected in August…congrats G8rs for your huge rivalry week victory.
Well, I for one will sleep better tonight after wading through the passive-aggressive slights and discovering that your eight ball works.
What does that eight ball say about Georgia Tech playing a more physical than usual version of Georgia Tech with an actual quarterback?
We barely won last year, why should this year be different…
I’ll be darned Nash, who knew my passive aggressive 8-ball had this answer!
Enjoy the football this weekend Hump.
Hilarious ..humor post of the day humper! ‘ DJ giddy patrol prognosticators’ – classic
Thanks Les, that was the intent in spite of Nash’s p/a butthurt feeling, all one of them…
Kind of crazy to think we pups could actually lose this week to GT, win next week and end up getting a 1st round bye…OR win this week, lose next week and not make the playoffs. Basically if we win this week and win next week we are in the same position as we would be by losing this week and winning next week. Say that 3 times real fast if you are into tongue twisters, Les! Good look to your G8rs this weekend, time to snap that little 2 game FSU losing streak I believe…cheers ol boi.
You all are in barring two straight losses. Not zero probability but near zero. Losing to UT in the seccg isn’t a disqualification. Losing to a 3-loss atm team on the other hand
Looking forward to a beatdown of the semiholes and confirmation that the team has indeed turned a corner but more importantly confirmation that Stupid Billy has evolved into competent Billy.
On a side note I don’t know why Neil Blackmon keeps provoking humperino. Not only did Neil say again that Lagway is 4 – 0 in games he has started and finished he also said that Lagway leads the nation in success rate on passes of over 30 yards. Come on Neil, humperino has pointed out in excruciating detail several times over a series of different posts over and over again that those two “facts” are incorrect and in fact only part and parcel of the DJ giddy patrol and nothing else
Cojo how bout them bball Gators today?! Hope they keep it up – their SEC slate is almost as difficult as the football gators
8 – 0 sounds really good right now.
Hopefully the Golden situation doesn’t come back to bite us
Well, I’m sure I’m part of DJ’s giddy patrol or whatever Leghumper calls it, but believe it or not I do have intelligence and an analytical mind and having watched carefully all the Gator games this year, I can clearly see what a difference there is having Lagway under center. And he is a true freshman who has played 4 games of at least 3.5 quarters (you’re welcome Leghumper), the last 2 dealing with an injury that hampers his mobility. And yet he still has accomplished all that he has so far. I’m in good company with my opinion, with several SEC analysts (including a couple Bulldogs) having similar opinions.
Some interesting stats:
In last week’s upset over No. 9 Ole Miss, Lagway posted his best rating in SEC play (174.8) to raise his season mark to 163.5, which ranks second in the SEC and 10th in the FBS among passers with at least 125 attempts. He leads all FBS quarterbacks with a 97.3 passing grade on deep throws (20-plus yards), and has thrown for 1,477 yards, 9 touchdowns and 6 interceptions on 58.5% passing this season.
He may only have a 58.5 completion percentage, but he has maximized the throws that he has completed, and thus he has led the Gator offense to score more points than the opposing team.
Hey you don’t have to use a qualifier about your intelligence and analytical mind, that part is obvious.
What’s also obvious is that the intelligence and analytical mind of the nitpicker is what’s in question here
Thank you! I was being facetious with Leghumper, since he keeps nitpicking. Funny enough, several different analysts mentioned today before and during the game that Lagway was 4-0 in games that Lagway has started and finished. Leghumper is going to be busy writing them all emails correcting them. ;)
The Gators are in fact the best 6-5 team in the country
7 – 5 you big fat dummy
I don’t think Georgia would like to face the Gators right now.