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I think there were probably multiple reasons; practices, ability to run, upside. But I think it also came down to how this season played out. To bench Franks was to lose a QB. He had enough ups and downs that a permanent benching would have led to a transfer. You can't make that move until you're sure you're ready to lose Franks, I.E. the losses start mounting. There was no danger in losing Trask.
I've always kind of wondered how other decent UGA fans felt about Corch
I think it's less that UF talking heads/fans are obsessed with Georgia, and more just a plain fact that the East has a direct road through Athens and Gainesville. UK is enough to scare you, but not the top tier, UScar can't seem to put together an effective season, though can come close to ruining one, Tenn is up and coming, but still leagues away, Mizzou is Mizzou, and Vandy is even worse Mizzou. So it stands to reason that if UF wants an East title, it has to beat UGA.
UGADAWG78 - I agree with the heart of what you're saying, but to brush off everything mentioned in the thread and in the article as "no big deal" is a little bit of head buried in the sand, I think. UF fans did this a bit early in the Muschamp era (and again in the Mac era as well). UGA is probably better set up to absorb losses like this than many other teams, but it isn't something as simple as "Meh, we're fine." As an example, LSU is expected to return a lot of production next year, but they will lose Burrow. There are a tooon of posters predicting a fairly big slide for the team, including plenty of UGA fans. Why is their situation different?
I think you missed the point, though. It's not just that Fromm is gone, it's that enough experienced pieces are leaving that this is a prime opportunity to dethrone. No one is saying UGA will be bad. I don't understand why UGA fans feel like losing what any other fan base would consider "quite a lot" to be nothing.
I don't understand why so many UGA fans are seeing this article as a slight. I think if you take any good/great team, and compare it to the losses UGA is seeing, you're going to come to the conclusion that they may take a step back. It's not an insult, it's how CFB works. Losing QB1, RB1, TE1/2, and 4/5 O-line will do that to anyone. I'd be on this thread now conceding that UF was 2nd in the East at best if that were us. UGA is still going to be a force, and I look forward to the Cocktail Party. I also won't say that this is a do or die year for UF. To me this implies that Mullen is a subpar coach, and would never catch Smart unless UGA is down and out. I think Smart is a superb coach, and it makes the rivalry exciting, but I also think Mullen has shown he has the stuff to be competitive. I didn't buy it when people said this was a UGA do or die year, as I think Smart has a fantastic career ahead of him, and I won't say the same about UF either.
I've personally read through at least four UGA articles today with nothing but bad news, and the UF troll posts have been minimal at worst. First comment on this article is a UGA troll post. Go figure
I'm not sure if UGADAWGT8 is a faux fan or not (if so, c'mon guys, post from your real handles), but I'm not sure this is a trolling post. The Mays family is literally suing the university for an incident that amputated Cade's finger during recruiting. Ultimately I feel it's a tactic to help gain immediate eligibility to his transfer destination, but it's still true
Doing my best here to keep my orange and blue bias outside of this. The main thing I keep wondering is if Smart is more Saban, or Fisher. Both are good coaches that can recruit well and typically have their teams in a position to compete. But Saban has always been able to modify his team to his talent and produce, whereas Fisher needs an immense talent at QB to make things work. UGA was dominant in year 2 because of a crazy producing Fromm and a loaded receiver core, and it's been (small but steady) decline since. Florida learned the hard way that even the best teams can't produce when there's no production at the QB role unless you can scheme out of it. I guess we'll find out sooner or later.
I kind of enjoy trash talk. That's what makes college football so much more fun for me than anything else; enthusiastic fan bases, deep-rooted rivalries, tradition, and fun. If you can trash talk and back it up, get it son. If you trash talk and come up short, be ready for a flurry of comebacks. It adds spice to things. I think the difference for me is I don't base my entire self or pride on a college sport. I enjoy it, it makes up a part of my personality, but it doesn't come close to defining me. So when trash talk comes up, if it's funny and/or warranted, I laugh and move on. If it's lacking, I say try harder.
Can you imagine being an ex-girlfriend / ex-boyfriend of Corch's? I mean, the sheer amount of vitriol and hurt pride over trash talk during talking season. Can't imagine being on the receiving end of this over real stuff.
I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. I do think that recruiting at an elite level will start to dwindle if a team doesn't capitalize on the big games. It shows recruits that the staff isn't able to fully utilize their talent to produce results. I don't think UGA is there yet. They're still competing with the heavyweights and blowing the doors off of their "peers". UGA won't feel any recruiting loss if they don't win the SEC this year. I do think that 2020 will start to be the threshold.
There's trolling, then there's just pure B.S. Please list the "second tier" programs you'd add to the list alongside UGA. The Dawgs are on the up, but relegating another elite program to the realms of "mediocre" to satisfy your own feelings is just weird. As far as I'm concerned, UGA fans are little better than UCF fans. Your program was mediocre at best for years, then gained a lot of success in the past few. Now you consider yourselves CFB gods. It's simply annoying.
I can definitely see both sides of this argument. I tend to lean towards the side of no official money from universities, but getting money on likeness should be permissible (or the university should not be allowed to make money off of your likeness). If a school sells a jersey with a player number, but no name, fair game, but the moment the name makes it on there, the school is using that player on an individual basis to make money. However, I can definitely see Tim's point of view. As others have pointed out in this thread, student athletes receive what could be hundreds of thousands of dollars as a benefit for what they do.
I'm not a UT fan, but I'll be buying one of these. Love the idea, and for a good cause
I really have to agree here. People are overreacting on both sides of this, while conveniently forgetting a few things: (1) Miami was a top 10 defense and lost very little in terms of attrition, (2) UF was playing with a brand new offensive line that everyone knew would be a work in progress, (3) it was a week 0 game, so seeing mistakes and rust is not out of the question, and (4) no matter how you slice it, it was a rivalry game. Poor teams show up for these types of games, so one can expect mediocre teams to do the same. Overall, yes, it was sloppy, gross, and they need to work on a bit, but it doesn't dictate how good the team is, or how well their season will be.
Agreed. Year 2 needs to have positive momentum to overcome the 2018 recruiting class. Doesn't mean it has to beat last season, but it can't show regression. I don't blame the staff for trying to snag guys that had issues to overcome, especially in the 2018 class that was piecemeal and had a lot of negative perception. This upcoming recruiting class needs to overcome all this, though.
I truly cannot wait for talking season to be over. The UGA trolling was actually funny at first, then annoying, then boring, now it's just tired.
This is a rather interesting take, isn't it? Your assumption about his chart depth is based solely on the idea of his skillset or ability compared to his peers. Maybe he was being lowered due to his attitude/approach to the UGA staff, or his heart wasn't in it and he gave only 50% effort, and so on. Maybe he needed a change of scenery to thrive. I guess I don't understand why just about every other UGA fan thinks highly of this man and say that there was missed opportunity there (on both sides, mind you), whereas you see this as a new low for another team that they are high on him.
I'll never understand the preseason love that Michigan gets every year.
Take Cox out of this equation, and I'd still say that anti-drug policies (which largely effect marijuana use) should be lenient. You're talking predominately about a substance that most of the U.S. wants to see made legal, one that many states are pushing to decriminalize, and one that has actual uses. It just seems so crazy to hinder someone's future over recreational use of something most people don't care about. Most major companies (beyond minimum wage or close to minimum) don't even test for it any longer.
If you take this road, shouldn't one make LSU football start paying a franchise fee? The football program is not a self-sustained entity, it is an extension (albeit a profitable extension) of the university itself. LSU existed before football, and LSU football as a student service existed long before the profitable business came around. Essentially LSU has built a successful sister business from the university, but it's still very much tangled in the university.
He tends to skip over legitimate comments and only rises to the trolly posts
I could be wrong here, but I believe the former university is interviewed during the process to determine eligibility, and the former university's stance on said student can heavily influence the decision.
What amazes me here about Corch is not just that he's a troll, but the sheer amount of time and effort (and word count) he puts in. And all of it over a few sound bites from several months ago. It's a mind boggling amount of dedication over what most have forgotten about. Can you imagine how hard he must be on ex-girlfriends or boyfriends?
Methinks this was more of a humor moment with a bit of praise for your side than anything else.
I'd say there's a little bit of salt here, which I don't understand. UGA has a lot of upward mobility, but (and please correct me if I'm wrong here) their scholarship count isn't terribly high this class; low 20s, yes? They need to be more selective. UF has scholarship room to spare, so filling out the class isn't so bad. Additionally, reports are that at least a few of the 3* (and some of the 4*) are poised to break into the next tier, so even at this count, there's still room for growth. Long story short, what Clemtiger was getting at is that UF is far from the dumpster fire that a select few UGA posters love to say it is (shout out to KirbySmart, one of my favorite UGA fans to debate with on here).