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I do. :)
In five to 10 years. :)
I can see this one going all the way to SCOTUS.
I'm delighted to see Clark Lea and Vandy pick up their first SEC win!
Lea followed Mike Elko from Wake Forest to Notre Dame in 2017 as a LB coach. When Elko left ND for Texas A&M the following year, Brian Kelly promoted him to DC. Turned out to be a great decision; Lea was top-notch from the beginning. He always had that look of a soon-to-be head coach. Three years as a DC and he left us for Vanderbilt, replaced with Marcus Freeman.
I felt like he had taken on a tough task — as a first-time head coach, no less — and hoped he would do well. Two years in, it's clear he has indeed taken on a tough task, but it looks like he may be slowly turning the team around. Seems they might be moving towards sharing the "doormat of the SEC East" moniker with, say, Missouri.
Brian Polian was a decent special teams coach at ND, with stats to back that up. Don't know why he's having so much trouble at LSU.
Bite your tongue, brother!
Hilarious! Thanks for a good laugh, SEC Shorts.
Good for Doucet. Kelly's comments sound very familiar. Welcome to Kellyville, LSU.
Polian was a good STC at ND, FWIW. Special teams were terrible last night for sure, though.
He just says it's a miracle that they didn't lose the game because of the dropped punt, and found another way to lose instead.
Welcome to Kellyville. :)
Kelly always says the blame is on him, and then sometimes also makes snide comments like "it's our fault that we didn't see that the kid wasn't as good as we thought he was" wrapped in some sort of word salad.
Not blaming the kid, of course. Great kid. Can't catch a ball as it turns out, but great kid all the same. It's a miracle that he didn't lose the game for us, of course. Usually that would have killed us. But Brian Polian...er...our special teams...er...we found another way to lose. This time.
Here's a pretty egregious Kelly comment from 2011, his second year, after losing 31-17 to USC: "You can see the players that I recruited here. You know who they are. We've had one class that I've had my hand on. The other guys here are coming along."
Most of the upperclassmen were pretty angry with him, and Manti Te'o was deeply offended. He said in a tweet (later deleted, of course) that he wasn't playing for Kelly any more, but for his "bros."
Kelly later apologized and mended fences.
The most that I can say now is that when he makes these critical comments he tries to soften them afterwards. That's a newer development.
I'll also say that sometimes he's right, and everyone jumps all over him anyway. He said that DeShone Kizer needed to stay in school another year. The mediaverse all jumped on the same bandwagon: Kelly throws his QB under the bus, trying to ruin his draft prospects, yada yada. Kizer went to the Browns in the second round, started most of the games in their 0-16 season, got cut, and never really recovered. Gee, maybe Kizer needed another year in school.
Welcome to Kellyville.
In my experience, you experience what you put out. Even in Boston. I haven't had any of the experience that you describe in my multiple business interactions with Bostonians.
Judging from the multiple snooty comments you've made on here, maybe you're the one with the nasal problem?
One thing about Vandy is that Clark Lea could be the real deal as a HC. Lea followed Mike Elko to ND in 2017 as part of the Kelly 2.0 housecleaning. He was the LB coach. As you probably know, Elko bolted after one year to TAMU, and Kelly promoted Lea to DC.
That turned out to be a smart move. Lea was a great DC, maybe even better than Elko. He stayed in that position from 2018 through 2020, and left last year when Vandy offered him their HC position. I'm rooting for him. I don't know whether he can get the resources to compete in the SEC, but if he wins one or two in-conference games this year I'll be happy for him. All-around nice guy, very methodical, very detail-oriented.
I was a little surprised that Kelly hired Denbrock. He fired him after our 2016 season, after which he went to Cincinnati. I was never particularly impressed with his abilities as an OC. Thing is, he and Kelly have been friends since their very early days.
One problem Kelly has is he hires coaches he knows well, who don't always seem to be able to handle the job. Brian VanGorder, Jeff Quinn and Del Alexander come to mind. I would have my misgivings about the Denbrock hire, personally.
Well, looks like they aren't alone in the holier-than-thou department, there, O Bama Fan. <- nyuk nyuk nyuk
I'm not surprised that I'm no longer seeing the "Notre Dame fans are just tearing Kelly down because they're mad that he left for LSU" sour-grapes take I was seeing a few months ago. Kelly is a good coach, but he has some issues. He was never a great recruiter at ND, and his coaching hires have some hits (Lance Taylor, John McNulty, Marcus Freeman) and some misses (Del Alexander, Jeff Quinn).
Mike Denbrock was one of the coaches that he fired after the disastrous 2016 season. Although he moved back to Cincinnati and did well, I don't know whether he's a hit or a miss.
On the other hand, Brian Polian did a good job at Notre Dame. I think he's better than he showed tonight. Give him a little more time.
Now, I know the exasperation LSU fans are feeling tonight very well. So does any Notre Dame fan. We have plenty of stories like this one.
Kelly's first year, 2010. Notre Dame vs. Michigan State. Overtime, score is ND 31, MSU 28. MSU, on fourth and 14, is kicking a 46-yard field goal. Oh, they're faking it. The holder, punter Aaron Bates, throws a pass to wide-open TE Charlie Gantt. Touchdown! Notre Dame loses.
Notre Dame-Tulsa, 2010. ND leads, 27-18, with 8:47 in the third. With 4:59 in the third, Tulsa scores to make it 27-25. Fourth quarter, 3:23 left in the game, Tulsa kicks a field goal to make it 28-27. That was the final score.
Notre Dame-Stanford, 2015. Lead changes a total of eight times. The gap is never more than seven points. Five seconds into the fourth quarter, Stanford goes up 35-29. Notre Dame, with 30 seconds left in the game, scores a TD to make it 36-35. I still remember thinking that we had left too much time on the clock. (This was a Brian VanGorder defense.) Sure enough, Stanford drove 45 yards down the field and kicked a field goal with no time left.
So yeah, I feel your pain. Welcome to Kellyville.
One thing I can say is that after 2016 he got a whole lot better. We called it Kelly 2.0. After going 4-8 in 2016, he went 10-3, 12-1, 11-2, 10-2 and 11-2. So maybe you won't have as many stories like tonight as I do from his earlier years.
But no, we weren't dissing Kelly because we were upset that he left. Most of us were glad he hit the road. I have the feeling that he might be better at LSU than he was at Notre Dame, and his 2.0 version was very good.
Maybe there's a 3.0 version in there that can take LSU to the top.
Who would you replace Clemson with?
It's pretty common logic though. Finebaum is just around the top of the heap. He's also discounting Ohio State's "underwhelming" win against Notre Dame because in his mind Notre Dame is never any good.
Quandoque bonus dormitat Homerus.
I remember the Showtime show that followed Notre Dame around back in 2015. That year, QB Malik Zaire broke his ankle in the second game and was out for the rest of the year. I still remember Kelly looking at Zaire's parents very earnestly and saying "this is still HIS team." I wondered how the hell he could say that when clearly DeShone Kizer was taking over. Anyway, the next year when there was a QB competition between Zaire and Kizer, and Zaire lost, Zaire's parents told the world that Kelly had lied to them.
I think Kelly's first thought in a situation like that is to tell people what he thinks they want to hear. And that sometimes turns out that he writes checks that he can't cash.
He learned a lot when he got stomped in 2016. Maybe he has learned not to do that as well.
>Odd program at Notre Dame.
Yup.
>I think they should stay 100% independent.
Good on you. So do I. If anything, it drives a lot of people nuts.
> And why is Kelly not the fit at ND but is the fit at LSU…..
Kelly did a good job putting out the dumpster fire that Notre Dame was when he came. On the other hand, he does have a way of blaming everyone but himself for his failures, even if he says publicly it's all on him. His mantra was that ND recruiting required "shopping down a different aisle," because of the academic restrictions that the university administration placed on the program. However, there was something of a suspicion that the reason that Notre Dame didn't do better than it did in recruiting was that Kelly just wasn't particularly interested in recruiting. Reputation as a great closer, but also feedback from recruits that we missed out on that the reason that they passed on Notre Dame was that Kelly never made the time to see them even once.
Since Marcus Freeman has pretty much refuted Kelly's "shopping down a different aisle" line, I'm following Kelly's recruiting at LSU with some interest. I hope he does well at LSU, but I have my misgivings.
Me too, but I'd still love to see him decide that Notre Dame is the one he marries after dating around.
His mom seems to be in on Bama.
This is another "Dennis Dodd special exclusive scoop." I don't consider him credible. But I do think that ND can improve on its present contract considerably, once it's up in 2025.
Jack Swarbrick has stated that ND will reconsider its independence in the event of "The loss of a committed broadcast partner, the loss of a fair route into the postseason, or such an adverse financial consequence that you had to reconsider." The latter might happen if Notre Dame can't schedule enough non-conference games with the "Big 2" to make a decent schedule.
That sort of depends, I suppose, on how many non-conference games they're allowed to schedule. For example, I can't imagine that ND-USC is going to fall by the wayside after USC joins the Big Ten. I can't see USC agreeing to join the Big Ten without some sort of guarantee that its biggest money game was going to remain intact.
Yeah, sorry about that. And Ole Miss had nothing to do with it, too.
Dennis Dodd has reported a number of things about Notre Dame where he was the only guy that had a "source." And everyone and his brother then reported it. First it was a misquote of Marcus Freeman. Next it was ND is "reportedly" under negotiations to join the Big Ten. And now this. Sorry, but the guy has zero credibility with me.
He reminds me of a kid in our neighborhood who reported a fire in the woods, and wanted everyone to know that he was the guy who reported it. The second time, the fire chief had a bit of a talk with him, and there wasn't a third time.
One time I was chatting with a truck driver from Texas. He told me a joke: Why do Texans talk slow? (I give up) Takes a Texan less words to git the AH-dear acrost.
I can see you're not a Texan.
Your "simple invitation" runs to 642 words. You Georgia folks sure are a prolix lot! Y'all should put up some wind farms; y'all could just talk at them and provide free electricity for all of Athens.
Definitely a TL/DR moment, but something about joining the SEC? Thanks for the invite, we'll see. Chicken, you say? Maybe so, maybe so. And maybe not.
Something about Brian Kelly? I can see he has brought his top-11.3 recruiting prowess to the SEC. We were sorry to lose him, really we were. We loved all those 11-2 seasons he put together once he figured out how to stop losing to Tulsa and Duke and Northwestern. But hope springs eternal, and right now we hope that Marcus Freeman can coach as well has he can recruit.
Thanks for the hospitality; we'll be seeing you again...
That may be. It will perhaps depend on whatever TV deal ND makes once its contract with NBC expires in 2025.
NIL certainly reminds me of those bubbles.