This wasn’t a big loss. He was 5’9”. He wasn’t what this staff was looking for. They had visited him once and hadn’t contacted him anymore after that. He wasn’t wiped away they didn’t want him. He’ll probably be a good player but 5’9” doesn’t typically do that well in the SEC.
Rashaan Gaulden touches on his relationship with Butch Jones, how close Vols were to making bowl game
Rashaan Gaulden touches on his relationship with Butch Jones, how close Vols were to making bowl game
That was the issue really with Jones right. He was never able to get a full product for 60 minutes in any game. Lots of individual reasons for that but it all boiled down to he just couldn’t put it all together for more than a few quarters in any game. Lots of times it was just enough to win. But lots of times it wasn’t also. It’s easy to say that we could have and maybe should have had at least 6 wind but we didn’t so what’s the point. Just support the new staff for now and hope they can do better is our only real option besides giving up.
What do you do if Kirby pulls a Gus and is mediocre for the next 2-3 years? Just pointing out that one year isn't enough to get high and mighty and has nothing to do with how bad TN is right now. Just cautioning humility. Or don't be humble and wait for one of the real proven coaches to humble ya'll again.
Fun fact, Ohio State actually has a higher average recruit ranking than UGA. Clemson isn't far behind and Alabama isn't either. Cool part about that.... All three of those schools actually have coaches who have/competed for multiple national titles. USC's average recruit ranking is actually the exact same as Georgia's. So the "record breaking class is really only relative. Yeah it had more points but the stars it brought in aren't actually a overall record.UGA is doing some cool things but don't get too far ahead of yourselves. The SEC still has at least one other coach not named Nick Saban who has won a national championship and at least one other who has competed in one. So at best UGA's savior is tied 3rd best in the conference. He still has to prove he can consistently compete for and actually win a NCG before ya'll get to hopped up on your own cool aid. Don't fall prey to the SDS hype. That's their job, to hype the new best "Bama" beater. So far they've been consistently wrong. Ask Auburn fans how quick things can change when you have a coach find big early success. Fact is you still have to get through, Saban, Dabo, Urban, and Fisher to get that trophy. Kirby hasn't actually done anything that is all that impressive yet. Gus has done it before and look at him now. Oh btw Gus has proven he can beat Kirby. Also so far Kirby has only proven he can have a mediocre season and a magical season using Richt's recruits. It's still technically not proven he can develop his own. I mean had Tua been in that game from the start, then Bama would have won by double digits, more than likely. He's still has a lot to prove. So sit back enjoy and give at least this next year maybe through 2019 before you get too high and mighty. Don't jynx it.
lol it's just Georgia.
MSU will destroy UGA. They'll win by 20+ points. Georgia is just another East team. They're not as good as people think and they'll show it against MSU. Not saying this to rip on UGA. I think all the East teams are pretty bad this year. I just think people aren't giving MSU enough credit.
Oh it's one of those deals. Ok makes more sense. Was just confused about that. Either way Key should have a good year and it would be cool to see him break a record of some kind. Always love watching records get broken.
Derrick Thomas holds the sack record with 27 I thought. pretty sure that's the NCAA official record also. So Arden Key would need 27.5 would he not?
Idk. If I was UF I'd be happy I wasn't picked to win the East. It always seems like a death sentence.
Also, sorry about any typos. Did this on a phone in a waiting room.
Wasn't it just a couple years ago that all you guys were like me and wished we could at least get to bowl games consistently and have 8-9 wins every season? He's 5 years in with 3 straight bowls appearances and wins and back to back 9 win seasons. Yeah we could have been better both in 2015 and 2016. Honestly though we beat Georgia and Florida this year. We lost to USC but Mushchamp seems to just have Butch's number. Yeah lost Vanderbilt again under Butch. That all sucks but to say we haven't made and that we stopped making progress is entirely untrue. Stop being Debbie Downers. We won't find a better head coach right now that would actually want to risk our coaching carousel and rabid fan base like you guys. We competed then fell flat but had more injuries by far than anyone else while under the first year of a new coordinator. Should we be upset that it got as bad as it did. Yes we should but honestly this is unfortunately still at as a program and firing Butch now would be stupid. He's earned the right to at least finish his contract. Hey if another atom Hermin type pops up and actually wants to risk his reputation on UT's fire first ask questions later approach then sure take him and fire Butch. That however is not going to happen. There is still progress that needs to be made and instead up being impatient and firing another coach and sending the message again that it may not be a good idea to come here if you have any decent options, we should instead let him finish it out. He'll keep bringing in good talent and that's what you want. No fan with any intelligence ever believed Butch could or would be the coach to bring us a Natty. His purpose has always been to make us attractive and competitive again. He's doing that and has done a pretty good job of that. For now he's the best we can/are going to get. Don't be stupid. Be patient. Not every coach can be Nick Sabah or even Neyland or Fulmer. Butch is actually keeping UT where it has Historically always been. The 90's and the days of Neyland are actually times UT was better than usual. We're not Bana or USC or Miami. We have 2 true Nattys out of how many years that the school has played football? He's doing as good as we can hope for and in general doesn't do a bad job. Could do better but he's what we got. So pull for him to do better and get us to where we can attract the next Tom Herman or Davi Sweeney. Stop hoping for Saban. Plus UT would never spend the money on a Saban or Meyer.
Alabama’s loss shows pitfall of CFP and why expanding to 8 would destroy college football as we know it
I don't see why 8 would be so special myself. That's probably too many. I"m a big fan of 6. The 5 power five champions and the best from the rest.
I always root for every SEC team to win against a non conference opponent whether it's regular season or not. Well, except Florida, no offense Florida fans, but during the regular season I just like to see Florida lose as long as it still makes a bowl game. When bowl season comes around then I pull for every team even Florida because it makes everyone in the SEC look better which helps with rankings as other people have pointed out but also in recruiting. A 7-5 SEC team doesn't look so bad if the SEC goes out and stomps all the other conferences. Then it gives the appearance that the SEC is just that good. I'm a UT fan first and an SEC fan second. I would love for the SEC to get to the point where every single team goes 4-0 in non conference play every year and then and goes and has the best bowl record.
Well, correction people would still whine about being snubbed but they wouldn't really have much of a leg to stand on. It just simplifies the whole thing. Wanna be in the playoff win your conference. If you don't win it then you don't have a right to whine really.
I think 6 teams is perfect. The conference Champ from each power 5 conference gets a bid. The sixth spot is given to some other deserving team maybe even an unbeaten or 1 loss team from a no name like Western Michigan or Boise State in the past. Not that I think that those teams would make it far but they still deserve a shot from time to time. But that 6th spot could still go to like Michigan or a 1 or 2 loss loser from one of the conference championship games. Just pull each team's rank from the AP and give the two highest ranked champs the bye weeks. It would just make sense and no one could whine about being snubbed anymore. It would be simple, when your conference and you go to the playoff even if you have 3 or 4 losses. Because their have been plenty of 3 or 4 loss SEC teams that could probably fair pretty well in the CFB in the past. I don't see 8 doing anymore for making it fair than 6 would. I mean it would be the 5 power 5 champs squaring off and that sixth team might even be a small conference champ. It would still be a battle of champions.
Truth is UT's great recruiting classes aren't really that great. It's like this year's.... Yeah sure it's a "Top 10" class but there are also 27 people in it. However like 21 of those are 3 stars. That's how all of Butch's classes have been. Big with a lot of 3 stars and 0 5 stars from the 247sports composite. There is talent but it's mostly developed. Problem is all the young guy s still need developed. There are some really good young guys but coach doesn't play them much. Injuries hurt because there wasn't much talent behind the starters. Our CB's are pretty terrible outside of Sutton. Butch has done a good job but it's time to start looking for someone else. Butch will get another year maybe even two and it's ok, because the next hire by UT needs to be a proven guy and they need to spend the money on that type of coach. If they don't we'll stay right where we are. Now with that being said UT still had enough talent to beat SC and Vandy but couldn't pull it off. Defense this bad is on a coach. I blame Butch because Shoop is proven. Butch didn't let him bring his own staff and I'm willing to bet that Butch is more like Mushamp was at UF than some of us UT fans like to admit. I bet he micro manages too much. All just my personal opinion. As fans though we might as well keep supporting what we got for now for the sake of the kids that came to play for our team. You wanna hurt the recruiting class? Keep talking about a coach needing to go. Just leave it be and it will sort itself out in a year or two. Don't hamper him from pulling in at least some talent for the next guy.
Actually, until TN stops dropping passes, fumbling the ball, not caring in the first half, and just in general being more consistent football team they can't be considered one of the two best. If actually put Ole' Miss ahead of them too right now. But yeah top 4 or 5 with potential to be more. That's UT though. Gotta start living up to potential. I think it'll be closer than 13 points though. Either way it should be a good game. I'm on my phone so I apologize to the grammar and spelling Nazis for any typos.
That's actually pretty funny. The sad part is that was a nice car. Didn't need to ruin it. Still that's funny.
I honestly think he's learned his lesson but I still think next year or the after is when we'll see what he's really got. No offense to ISC fans but I gotta feeling it'll be a bad year for ya'll. But I wouldn't be surprised with 6-6 and a decent little bowl. Which would be pretty great because I think ya'll would beat whoever they put in that type of bowl which helps with momentum but I'm calling 5-7 with one big upset over someone you shouldn't have beat. I won't dare predict UT's as there are 4 games for sure that no matter how good you are could go one way or the other.
The thing with the "bottom" feeders as it gets put a lot. Is that they all have enough talent and are good enough on at least one side of the ball or have an X factor that's good enough to be able to beat any of the top teams in the east. All of them can beat UT, UGA, or UF. What makes it more dangerous is that they can easily get overlooked and played down to because those teams focus on each other and their cross over games. Sadly no one in the east has quite enough talent, including depth there, to really compete quite on the same level as the west teams. They're all missing something. But coaches like Smart and Muschanp can fix that. UFA probably has the most talent including depth with UT and UF being close but again all three have big questions going into this year. Someone like UK or Mizzou can knock any of the three off if they don't show up to play. I think betting on any team will be risky this year and all of UT's conference schedule scares me. Vandy almost always plays us hard and we've yet to really whoop up on Mizzou yet so they still scare me a lot. I think that if we lose a surprise game that we should have won it will be YSC or Mizzou. Vandy will play us hard but I still don't expect a loss there.
I hope he does a good job at USC. I want the East as a whole to catch back up to the West. Can't do that if all the teams don't get better.
He was a good QB. Loved watching him play and I keep hoping somehow he becomes an NFL star because he's just fun to watch. He'll be good at whatever he does. The guy is a winner.
I apologize for all typos. I'm in my phone. I'm sure there are many. Such as Crickett lol
Bill why do you hate TN so much. Why always all the hate? You should talk to somebody man.
Lmao that's funny right there. I don't who you are.
I wouldn't be upset with that trade.