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UNC is the last team that would leave the ACC. These expansions are all about adding TV markets. Clemson, FSU, and Miami less so, do not add significantly to the SEC as they are already tapped into the largest TV markets in those states.
Maybe I didn't make my chart clear. The four pods are listed vertically, and next to each team is their permanent cross pod rivals, 1 from each pod. Every year; 1 game against the 3 other teams in your pod, 1 game against your 3 cross-pod rivals, and 3 games against one team from each pod, which would rotates each year.
No, Georgia would be in the same pod as both Florida and Auburn. They would play every year.
Missouri was the most difficult to identify appropriate historic opponents, as historically I believe they have played Nebraska, the Kansas schools, the Oklahoma schools, and the other schools from the Big 8 days. I went with A&M for the west because they came in the SEC together, I thought it was odd that they weren't made permanent rivals. Arkansas could make sense, I had paired them with Tennessee because of geography, but the same argument could be made for Missouri. I will say Tennessee and Arkansas have played each other more times than Missouri, although I don't know how meaningful that is since it's like 19 and 13 respectively. The Missouri Carolina game makes the most sense in the East to me as it has been competitive and is a trophy, titled game that has recent history that can be built on and has more history than any other team in that pod. LSU, had to be somebody and there were more historical matchups between other teams in the North and South Pod. As for being in that north pod, it's geography and the historical games between other schools that dictated it for the most part. However every team in the North pod is currently in the East division, and Missouri has played them every year since joining. Georgia and Florida are the only two not being played every year from that division.
As far as the schedule goes, I am a big fan of the nine conference games. However, I think three games should be permanent “pod” opponents, three games should be permanent non-pod opponents (one from each of the other three pods), and the other three games are nonpermanent games (one from each of the other pods). The three nonpermanent games would rotate opponents, so that in a three-year period a school would play every other team in the conference at least once. This should also preserve all of the traditional rivalries. My suggested pods and permanent cross-pod opponents: East: Auburn – Texas, Vanderbilt, Alabama Georgia – Oklahoma, Tennessee, Miss State Florida – Texas A&M, Kentucky, LSU South Carolina – Arkansas, Missouri, Ole Miss West: Arkansas – South Carolina, Tennessee, LSU Oklahoma – Georgia, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss Texas – Auburn, Kentucky, Miss State Texas A&M – Florida, Missouri, Alabama North: Kentucky – Florida, Texas, Miss State Missouri – South Carolina, Texas A&M, LSU Tennessee – Georgia, Arkansas, Alabama Vanderbilt – Auburn, Oklahoma, Ole Miss South: Alabama – Auburn, Texas A&M, Tennessee LSU – Florida, Arkansas, Missouri Miss State – Georgia, Texas, Kentucky Ole Miss – South Carolina, Oklahoma, Vanderbilt For conference championship you could seed the four pod leaders, and have a semifinal to determine the two contenders for the championship.
I feel every school currently in the SEC is contributing on multiple levels, and contribute on the most important level $.
@poptiger Where are you pulling that average attendance number from?
South Carolina is the flagship university in it's state; with 8 Campuses, over 300,000 living Alumni, and great attendance and viewership even when teams don't preform well. Williams-Brice ranks in the top 20 in attendance consistently. Columbia SC is the 75th largest television market in the nation, with many more high ranked locations nearby, Charleston 91, Charlotte 21, Myrtle Beach 97, and Augusta-Aiken 108. All this in a State were there are two major universities in competition. I am having a hard time finding how the comparison is unfavorable to South Carolina. None of that is to disparage LSU, the two are fairly parallel in many metrics and are both beneficial in the SEC.
That makes sense in terms of identifying 6 teams, I guess my feeling is one of, Vandy is just as much "core" as any of the others, like the other 9 original teams. If Vandy left the SEC would lose part of it's character.
Balancing the pods is way easier when in a three year span every team has played each other. Also chasing balance has two big problems, one, it can't truly be done, and two, what is balanced one year may very well not be the next. I think 4 pods primarily built on geography, and schedules built primarily on tradition, in a 9 conference game schedule can be very balanced. 3 pod games, 3 locked cross division games (one in each pod), and 3 rotating cross division games (one in each pod) produces a good year to year experience.
As a South Carolina fan not playing our in-state rival would unacceptable, and conference only would result in that. There has to be the ability to play at least one out of conference game. Being in the SEC is not worth ending a long, stories, heated, rivalry. I don't know if I will ever "forgive" the SEC for killing that 111 year streak last year. It just means more my ass.
As a South Carolina fan not playing our in-state rival is unacceptable, and conference only would result in that. I don't know if I will ever "forgive" the SEC for killing that 111 year streak last year. It just means more my ass.
Here is how i'd do it: 4 Divisions East - AU, GA, FL, SC South - AL, LSU, OM, MS West - Ark, OK, TU, A&M North - KY, MI, TN, Vandy A teams plays 9 conference games, 3 against their division, 3 against a locked cross division opponent, one each division, and 3 games against each division that rotates every year. In 3 years a team will have play everyone. Locked teams: Auburn - Texas, Vandy, Bama Georgia - Okies, Tenn, Miss State Florida - A&M, Kentucky, LSU South Carolina - Arky, Mizzou, Ole Miss Arkansas - SC, Tenn, LSU Oklahoma - GA, Vandy, Ole Miss Texas - AU, Kentucky, Miss State Texas A&M - Florida, Mizzou, Bama Kentucky - Florida, Texas, Miss State Missouri - SC, A&M, LSU Tennessee - GA, Arky, Bama Vanderbilt - AU, Ok, Ole Miss Alabama - AU, A&M, Tenn LSU - FL, Ark, Missouri Miss State - GA, TU, KY Ole Miss - SC, OK, Vandy As for conference champion, beats me. Two division leaders with best in conference record, if there is a 3 or even 4 way tie and head to heads cannot result in an elimination, two with best outside division record? Or maybe top teams from the two divisions with the best overall record. or a 10th conference game that is a semi final. That would be terrible come 8 team Natty playoff.
Although I think I have some different cross division opponents in mind for the divisions. For Tenn I would have Georgia, Bama, Arky.
I like that idea for balance HuntlandVolinCo. I also 100% agree with the divisions. Another way to do it would be 3 division games, 3 games against a locked cross division opponent, Bama vs Tenn for example, and 3 games against an opponent in each division that rotates every year. This would mean every team would play each other in a 3 year period, and every traditional game can be maintained.
Bingo! The game is about to change, and in ways we don't yet know. I wonder how long the sport itself has sometimes given the impact of brain damage data on youth league membership. In a 10 year period we have over half a million less high school football players than we did. From 2.5 million to 1.9
It's not really six. 10 teams currently in the conference have been there since the founding. SC, Ark, A&M, and Mizzou are the only expansion teams. I don't see any of the original 10 ever leaving the conference.
I see what you mean, every team basically does have a pod, but it is just their own pod. I'd have to see a full layout of who everyone's 3 are to buy in. Auburn for example is going to have to have Bama and GA as 2 of there 3. Also what happens with three tied teams at the end of the season, who get's to go the championship if they are tied in conference and did not have a head to head during the season?
SEC men's basketball play every other team in the conference at least once every season, and they play some multiple times, and there is a tournament to decide conference champion. For football your regular season has to do much of the work for deciding who will get to compete for conference champion. This is currently done by pitting the best in the East vs best in the West. A pod system does the same, but allows more balance schedules, as a team plays a wider variety of conference opponents, and faces everyone at least once in a much shorter period of time.
To many traditional rivalries that would not get to play every year without the pod system. The way the pods should work is 1 permanent opponent in each division, and 1 rotating opponent in each division. That would be 3 division games, 3 permanent cross division games, and 3 rotating cross division games. with the right pod set up (East: Auburn, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina. West: Arkansas, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas A&M. North: Kentucky, Missouri, Tennessee, Vanderbilt. South: Alabama, LSU, Miss State, Ole Miss) You keep all of the big rivalry games every year, have a geographically logical alignment, fairly balanced schedules (permanent cross division games help with this) and a system that means in 3 years, everyone plays everyone at least once.