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Thanks for this information. I was a guard and linebacker in high school when Nobis was starting his NFL career. In those days, Falcons games were not televised here, as we usually got either Baltimore, Green Bay, Cleveland, and Dallas. Nobis played guard and linebacker at Texas, sometimes playing the entire 60 minutes. Nobis supposedly made 200 tackles one year at Texas.
Bob Bowlsby isn't the man that can get this done, but a progressive thinker could find a way to keep the Big 12 alive by making some groundbreaking changes that even Greg Sankey has not yet done. Announce that the Big 12 will become the first collegiate conference to outright pay salaries to the players. Allocate a salary cap that allows 50 players at each school to pay recruits $500,000 on average or a cap of $25 million. The result would be mass chaos to try to keep up with the Big 12. With just 8 teams, the 400 lucky players would surely take the money to play for TCU, Oklahoma State, and Baylor rather than just have a regular NIL at Alabama, Oklahoma, or Texas. Declare these players are not students but salaried employees. They won't have to go to school and can thus attend college minicamps, organized team activities, and other practice events, so that they will be far ahead of the student-athletes in learning football and being ready for the NFL. Add Houston, SMU, Memphis, and Tulsa for 12 teams. Have 2 divisions of 6 teams. Each team will play home and home within division and once against the other division for 16 games. The winners of the divisions would then face off in the League Championship. A TV network would quickly buy the media rights for the best college talent, as even the weakest of these 12 teams would have more pro prospects than the best of the rest. The media rights would be on par with the NFL, so the schools could easily handle the salary caps and make more profit than they made in 2019. Bowlsby isn't the man that can get this done. Make Scott Boras the commissioner.
The Big 12 better quickly get a package together for Houston, SMU, Rice, Tulsa, Memphis, UCF, USF, Tulane, and Cincinnati and find a national network that will pay TV rights that would coerce these schools there. This example included West Virginia leaving. I would go after Fox for a Friday night game plus Saturday doubleheader. The Big 12 still has enough clout to raid the ACC rather than vice versa, but their window is closing.
will this be featured on Court TV when it gets adjudicated? Bowlsby wouldn't take the poison pill here if he didn't have evidence, and ESPN's legal team surely knows there is something here. They hope that by the time the ruling ever comes down from a judge, the Big 12 will only be a skeleton, and the judgment could be like that given the USFL.
Snapshot, that's a great answer. We can do the same thing with I-40 running west, I-65 running north, or even I-24 running northwest for those that have fled Illinois. As I type this, it is now official--OU & UT have officially been invited to the SEC.
I had to post this for a laugh. A couple from the Austin area has moved into our neighborhood. They wanted to escape the Californians moving in to make Austin the new Berkeley. All I have heard since they moved here was how much better the barbecue is there; how much better the roads are there; how much better the chili is there; and when his wife wasn't in ear range, how much better the mistresses were there. Of course, he told me over the weekend at Puckett's that Texas football would quickly come to dominate the SEC, because there are 1,000 SEC-worthy recruits in the Lone Star State, and the best will now go to Austin. One other thing he told me in early May was that Austin is the hottest place in the US in July and August. Okay, so today in Leiper's Fork at 1:00 PM, it was 98 degrees compared to 101 degrees in his former suburb of Austin. BUT, the heat index/feels like temperature here was 112 degrees, while it was the same 101 with much lower humidity in Austin. My wife received a frantic call from his wife 20 minutes ago. Her UT alum super fan had a problem with the heat here and had to go to the ER at Williamson County Medical Center. He's going to be okay; it wasn't serious. The wife was actually more concerned that she had raced out of the house without locking the back door, and this is major tourist season for The Fork. So, the next time a Texan tells you that something about Texas is the biggest, the best, the most, etc., just wait until he experiences a 3H (Hot, Hazy, Humid) day in the really best place on Earth--The South! I think most of us will quickly become fans of every SEC team the Longhorns play. Alabama fans will be shouting "War Eagle!" when the burnt orange come to Jordan-Hare. Georgia fans will be doing the Gator Chomp when the Horns visit Gainesville. Vanderbilt fans will be singing Rocky Top when Texas enters Neyland Stadium. Who here will be shouting woo pig sooie on September 11? All this is tongue in cheek. My new neighbors are very nice people. My grand-nephew wants to be a caterer specializing in Tex-Mex and Asian cooking. They have taught him how to cook brisket, chili, and cowboy beans. I must admit that I am a Cincinnati 5-way chili lover.
The vote is going to be 13-0 with one abstention, and the school that abstains will be a founding member of the SEC.
When I think of Texas football, #60 is what comes to mind first and foremost. Tommy Nobis was the greatest college football linebacker ever, followed closely by Lee Roy Jordan at Alabama. Texas held their own against LSU, Ole Miss, and Alabama in bowl games in those years. The next memory I have of Texas is the wishbone era of 1968-1970. The 1969 UT-Ark game with President Nixon and Billy Graham in the stands for what became the National Championship Game is one of the top 5 college football games of the post WWII era before the Playoff era.
How can Texas politicians pass anything? Doesn't one party flee the state every time a vote is about to be made? Who doesn't think LBJ fixing votes when the words "Texas" and "Politician" are put together? Who doesn't think Bobby Baker, Billy Sol Estes, and Malcolm Wallace? Birdwell is a GOP state senator, but he seems to support restraint of trade--very anti-capitalistic. Texas elects Bolsheviks?
Maybe, it's just going to be an SEC of 64 teams and everybody else aligning into something new. SEC -- top 64 FBS -- next 64
After listening to various radio shows and reading stuff online, my opinion is becoming supportive of continued expansion and then going to 100% conference games. A closed system of 32 teams would be that superconference everybody has suggested will come in the future. Instead of the distant future, if it is going to be the ultimate reality, why wait? Invite the 16 best remaining teams to join the alliance, and voila, you have a 32-team collegiate professional football league. You could even move football in this new alliance to Spring so it won't conflict with pro football. Play the games from April to August with a College Super Bowl on Labor Day night. Each school would have a salary cap to pay its players with a set roster and taxi squad. All high school players would be free agents able to sign with any team. Of course, the salary cap would prevent one team from taking all the best players. Allow all players five years to play four seasons. After the third year, they could be eligible for the NFL. With a summer schedule, the College Super Bowl could be played in New York City, Detroit, Chicago, Boston, Philadelphia, Washington, or even Green Bay just as easily as it could be played in New Orleans, Miami, LA, San Francisco, or Dallas.
Nobody watched this game when it was on real TV. The only Arizona Bowl I can remember is the one in which New Mexico State made their first bowl appearance in 50-something years, and they played the same team they had played the last time--Utah St.
Notre Dame will be forced into a conference in football when they are no longer able to schedule enough quality teams to remain a power team. If they end up playing Ball State, Navy, and Western Kentucky in future years instead of Michigan, USC, and Purdue, they will in essence make themselves a Group of 5 team. Strength of schedule is going to become as important in football as it has been in basketball. A 12-0 Irish team may have the #80 strength of schedule, and all 9-3 Power Conference teams will rate ahead of Notre Dame, just like a 30-3 team in a low major that does not win its conference tournament won't get into the Big Dance, while a 19-14 team from the ACC does get in.
Something else that may affect the makeup of SEC baseball--Kumar Rocker may be forced to return to Vanderbilt to pitch next year. Breaking news from NYC is that the Mets have a concern about his elbow and may sacrifice the pick to instead get a compensatory pick next year. Rocker was overused at Vanderbilt, throwing too many 110+ pitch games and even topping 130 in a couple is something that MLB personnel frown upon. Additionally, his slider is thrown like a football, and it produces a unique stress on the elbow. Coming back another year might help Vandy, but it will basically make him damaged goods in the future. I feel sorry for him. Hopefully, if he returns, he can be the top NIL star in this area and at least make some money.
It just means more and more and more teams to feed the monster. If you think conferences will stop at 16 teams, think again. And, there is actual precedence for more than 16 teams in a league, and it goes waaaaaaay back to the early 20th century. Look up the Southern Intercollegiate Athletic Association. Here's an example of its members from 1921: Alabama Auburn Centre Chattanooga Clemson Florida Furman Georgetown (KY) Georgia Georgia Tech Howard Kentucky Louisville LSU Mercer Millsaps Mississippi A&M Mississippi College Oglethorpe Ole Miss Sewanee South Carolina Tennessee The Citadel Transylvania Tulane Vanderbilt Wofford That's just a little short of the 32 team super conference. If it worked for all these teams in the days where all travel was done by train, it could easily work for air travel today. FWIW, in 1922, The Southern Conference began playing as a league. It would break apart in 1932, sending the teams west of the mountains into the SEC. And, when the original Socon began play, Vanderbilt was not part of the new and improved league. Back then, Vanderbilt was too dominant, winning 11 SIAA titles. They had an unfair recruiting advantage over the other schools.
Just for the sake of argument, what if the Big 12 added eight more teams to the eight they have left to get to 16 and then secede from the NCAA and declare their football league a professional league where each team will have 53 players under contract with a salary cap? Wouldn't a major network or 3 immediately bid big bucks for the rights to the league's TV package? If Kansas paid a QB $2 million a year, would the #1 QB recruit sign with the Jayhawks or Alabama? Nobody saw the mass chaos coming just two weeks ago. The NIL was the big story, until it became as newsworthy nationally as the governor's race in Virginia. Who's to say that Sankey will stop at 16. It could go to 20, and then the league could isolate and only play within the 20. Maybe Sankey has already decided to become the commissioner of the 32-team superconference by inviting the best teams out there to become part of the super 32. At that point, it could become a 16-game schedule like the NFL until this year. A 14-team playoff with a College Super Bowl would be able to sell out Talladega Speedway. I have seen the graphic where all 14 SEC Stadiums could fit inside Talladega at once.
I am a little leery of this poster from the Sooner State. He might be part of a secret government experiment on SEC teams and fans. If OU plays Vandy, they will definitely participate in psychological torture. Is there an Operation Paperclip Sooner fan too? Might he sneak in former Switzerites into the conference to attack the evil Clemson/Ohio State Union?
How about 2 superconferences of 32 teams with each having its own playoff leading up to the College Super Bowl? After 100+ years, the Pacific Coast League, International League, Southern League, Texas League, and Eastern League all went away with one quick decision by MLB in an effort to be more profitable. It could come in one quick decision by a few insiders. Forget SEC, ACC, Big Ten, and Pac. Think more of East, South, Midwest, and West. East and South would be one league and Midwest and West would be another. 16 teams in each region for a 64-team elite division. The remaining 66 FBS teams would be split into a 32-team AAA League and a 32-team AA League with the two teams joining with the top 30 FCS to be the A League. Each league would have their own championship just like high school classifications in most states hold separate championships. Rather than crappy bowl games that mean nothing to the players and 90% of the fans, the bowls can host the playoff rounds.
This afternoon, I have heard on 3 different sports talk stations and received a couple emails and a text claiming that Sankey isn't done at 16 teams. Has anybody heard anything legit about Ohio State, Michigan, Florida State, and Clemson being the next four? It doesn't make sense. The way to make more money for the league is to bring new markets. Columbus and Cleveland with the Buckeyes and Detroit with the Wolverines make sense. Clemson and FSU bring no new media markets, since South Carolina and Florida already have that territory. Make it Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, and Virginia, and it would make sense. Or, make it Ohio State, Michigan, Penn State, Virginia, and Notre Dame and then excuse Vanderbilt to another situation. Once it becomes a superconference, Vandy drops to Sewanee status in this league. They could go 0-9 or 0-10 every year, and they won't have 1,000 fans remaining.
Booches' idea is better than the supposed SEC plan. If they go with 4 pods and rotate 2 teams from each pod, then they are eliminating games like Auburn-Georgia half of the seasons. Isn't that the oldest rivalry in the South? The 3-permanent opponents plus 1 from each pod is a better option, but there could be one more. Why not go with 10 conference games? Play each pod opponent for 3, 1 out of pod permanent opponent (like Auburn-Georgia) for #4 and then 2 each against each other pod for #5-10. Rather than play teams 1 & 2 in an opposite pod, then 3 & 4, for the pod that contains the permanent opponent, it could be 1 & 2, 2 & 3, and 3 & 1 over a 6-year cycle, allowing each part of the cycle to be home and home.
First, the football was obviously deflated. Second, what you don't see in this video is the snow plow that comes out and clears the exact spot where Brady throws from and where the pitching machine sits. Third, this man is beyond incredible. How good was the 1997 Michigan team? Brady was the #2 QB. Jay Feely was the #2 kicker. Anthony Thomas was the #2 RB.
What Oklahoma and Texas bring to my SEC experience: My favorite part of Saturdays in the Fall is celebrating Saturday mornings by cooking on a theme for whatever game is available to me. The last two year has meant only free to watch games on the regular antenna TV. In the past, if Florida was hosting an SEC game, we would eat some type of seafood dish for lunch. If Georgia was hosting a game, we would maybe eat peach cobbler with our lunch. If Kentucky was hosting, we would make Owensboro-style BBQ. It also applied to team nicknames. If Arkansas hosted a game, it called for bbq pork ribs, but if A&M hosted, it would be beef ribs. Now, with Texas and Oklahoma coming into the league, it is time to christen the palate for Longhorns and Sooners-themed food. Welcome Texas and your fans to the league. Darrell Royal was one heck of a jovial fellow who came to Nashville every year to attend the Grand Ole Opry and indulge in local food establishments. He always had a smile on his face the few times I saw him in person. In your honor, I will be adding 14-hour slow-cooked, brisket to our Saturday brunch menu, which means I will have to cook it all day Friday. I hope I can make you proud of my brisket, as I try to copy the Salt Lick in Round Rock, which was too good for my own good when we ate there. And to Oklahoma fans, I must admit that my wife and I have a special affinity to one of your state foods. Every Monday night in our house is "Onion Burger Night." I even purchased a mason's trowel and cut the pointed end off just like they use as Sid's Diner in El Reno. Thank you for joining the league and giving me an excuse to have onion burgers more than once a week. For a fan of all SEC teams and no favoritism toward any, having two great schools add to the fun is wonderful, and I hope it can be accelerated to 2022.
Where there's smoke, there's fire. If you peruse the Big Ten market media, especially the beat writers, you will read a lot about the Big Ten and their need to match the SEC. One of the themes is that more than one SEC school may be just enough against the OU/TX addition that they could be enticed to jump from the SEC to the Big Ten. A 16-team Big Ten with two new markets could actually pay as much or even more per school in annual revenue sharing than the SEC. The Big Ten wants big markets and AAU accreditation among other issues. Seven years ago, there was a serious move to invite Virginia and Vanderbilt to the Big Ten. My best friend had contacts with Midwest media, and he told me that had this one astute journalist in Des Moines had not gotten the scoop and broke the news a tad earlier than the Big Ten wanted, the Cavaliers and Commodores were ready to move to the Big Ten. Vanderbilt does nothing for the SEC in this developing reality. The Nashville market has many more Tennessee fans, more Auburn, Alabama, Florida, and Ole Miss fans, and even more Middle Tennessee State fans than Vanderbilt fans. Vanderbilt is mostly inconsequential to the Nashville sports fan in the 2020s. The great migration to Nashville has brought thousands of Midwest transplants, maybe more total than California transplants. Since the Pac-12 is not a possibility, the Big Ten would probably see more Nashville area residents buying tickets. Georgia and LSU fans filled up the stadium in recent years. When Vandy played other SEC teams at home, the stadium had a lot of empty seats. There are enough transplanted former residents of Illinois, Ohio, Michigan, Pennsylvania, and Indiana living in Middle Tennessee than there are transplants from all the Southern States, and if you ask the average sports fan in this area who he/she considers their biggest rival, regardless of sport, you would hear hockey fans say Chicago, Detroit, St. Louis, Columbus, and Toronto, and you would hear football fans say Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indianapolis, Indianapolis, and Baltimore. You don't hear Atlanta, New Orleans, Miami, Houston, or Dallas. I wouldn't be surprised if the Big Ten approached Virginia and Vanderbilt again. Both are high academic institutions with AAU accreditation that bring in two untapped markets--Nashville and greater Virginia Beach-Norfolk and Richmond markets along with a greatly growing Charlottesville. Might Texas A&M and Missouri also be looking to leave? They left the Big 12 because of Texas. It would be funny if they went back to the Big 12 now that the problem is gone. It's going to be fun and interesting to follow the Chinese fire drill.
Oh, what a juicy speculation that is floating around in a few online places from the Near West! Texas and Oklahoma join the SEC. Arkansas, Texas A&M, and Missouri leave the SEC, as they fled their leagues originally because of Texas. The Big 12 adds the three SEC members and invites Arizona, Arizona State, Colorado, and Utah to join. Add Houston from the AAC, and you have 16 teams. The Pac-8 then is back where it was. Or, the 8 remaining Big 12 teams could unite with the Pac-12 to form a 20-team league. Move Colorado and Utah to the Midwest Division, and the rest stay in the Pacific Division. Notre Dame must be reassessing their future this week. They cannot afford to be left out of the superconference alignment. None of the superconference teams will want to schedule them when they have to increase the number of games played in the conference, and The Irish won't make the playoffs beating MAC, CUSA, and AAC teams.
The SEC is a corporation. It isn't publicly traded, but it's goal is to seek maximum profit. I am sorry you cannot see the analogy.
I was steadfastly against this move when it broke just as A&M was getting ready to present its best case to the public. However, to remain against this probable decision would convict me of speaking out of both sides of my mouth. How could I be against a corporation like the Southeastern Conference expanding its footprint and revenue stream, and really how can any patriotic American who believes in the free-market, capitalist system, oppose this corporation from improving and returning the maximum revenue to its 14 (soon to be 16) shareholders? I spent 40 years doing the same thing for the corporations that paid me ridiculously large monetary rewards. One of the things I did for one of the large houses was to find poorly managed companies not making the profit they should have been making and then notifying the team upstairs that there was a hot one to pursue. In several cases, these companies were headed to bankruptcy and the loss of all jobs, and the team I played for acquired the recruits and their stadiums. Definitely, some of the acquired players had to be cut or had to have their scholarships revoked, but the majority had their positions saved, the new coaches and coordinators were competent to turn around a Kansas and make it an Alabama. The players that had to transfer out of the team to an FCS corporation, usually after they exhausted their benefits which in many cases they didn't want to work when they had their position, they had a difficult time staying on another team, because they didn't do the work needed to earn their corporate uniform. College football is strictly a for-profit business. If there was no money involved, let's say free admission, no concessions, no team apparel sales, etc., there would be no conferences today. It would be a club sport where players at all the schools would pay as part of their activity fee in order to play. If you have ever worked in the administration of a publicly-traded corporation, you can probably answer this. What is the number one rule a publicly-traded corporation must follow? Answer: They are legally obligated by the Security and Exchange Commission to return the maximum possible profit to its shareholders. Greg Sankey has merely done what all the NYSE, Nasdaq, etc. corporations are required to do. I hate it that Texas A&M believes they have been dumped on. If there is anything contractual, even verbally, that they had a guarantee that no other Lone Star State teams would become SEC members, then maybe they deserve extra shares in the new fiscal year. Texas, Arkansas, and Texas A&M were excellent rivals for decades. I can remember when Darrell Royal became the Texas head coach in the late 1950s at a time where A&M and TCU were the two big teams in the SWC. I remember when Frank Broyles took over at Arkansas, and the Razorbacks and Longhorns became the powers. That 1969 game at Fayetteville was one of the top 10 games in college football history. Next to 1971 Nebraska-Oklahoma, 1966 Michigan State-Notre Dame, and 1946 Army-Notre Dame, that 1969 game for the national title probably ranks as 4th best ever. The SEC will have to grin and bear the frowns coming forth from College Station and Fayetteville, but for the extra millions and the birth of the new future age of professional college football, I think they can handle it.
As crazy as this sounds, this is all because of China and the Wuhan Flu. Sports enterprises saw their bottom lines upset by millions and millions of dollars. Major League Baseball responded by ditching the lower rungs of the minor league system, taking over directly the running of AAA, AA, and High A, and ending the Pacific Coast League, International League, Southern League, Eastern League, Texas League, etc. These baseball leagues had 100+ years of experience and poof, they disappeared. The need for recouping money lost in 2020 has led to the quickening of the inevitable. The top programs will determine the changes. Add the NIL passage, and Texas and Oklahoma felt it was time to strike. It may not happen in this evolution, but eventually, there will be 64, 48, or 32 super teams playing in Major League College Football; there will then be a number playing at the AAA level of College Football, another number at the AA level, and another at the A level. FCS might join the lowest level of FBS. Even the low levels will continue to get media money. It won't be giant payouts, but the Ivy League has had ESPN Streaming TV contracts in football and basketball.
The tendency to admit new teams to leagues is to take different markets with each new team. Kansas and Kansas St. both share the Kansas City-Topeka-Wichita markets, which means only one team would be desired by a conference. That's why Oklahoma State is not a possibility for the SEC. Texas brings the Austin-Red Rock-San Antonio markets plus in all essence the entire state, whereas A&M only has part of Houston-Gavelston and a much smaller overall state presence. The Pac-12 can take multiple teams in a market, because they have few options not to do so. They took Arizona and Arizona State that sort of split the entire state as well as Greater Phoenix. ASU has some of the Flagstaff market, while UA adds Tucscon. The Pac-12 might take TCU, Texas Tech, Oklahoma State, and Kansas State. Iowa State doesn't add to the Big Ten media revenue with Iowa already there. Even though Ames is about 35 minutes north of Des Moines, while Iowa City is farther away, Des Moines is more of a Hawkeye town by about 60-65% to 35-40%. I could see a situation where Notre Dame would be compelled to join a conference to remain eligible for playoffs based on Strength of Schedule issues. Let's say that Notre Dame expressed an interest in the SEC. Maybe, the SEC would jettison Vanderbilt to the ACC or Big Ten while The Irish replaced Vandy. Notre Dame has been a paper tiger since all the other major independents (Florida State, Miami, South Carolina, Penn State, Pittsburgh) joined conferences. Notre Dame was last a truly dominant team in the early 1990s. Joining a conference would allow ND to go after more 5-star recruits. They need a new Joe Montana, a new Rocket Ismail, a new Tim Brown, a new Ross Browner. They are getting the top 3-star and a handful of 4-star players. They need to be in the running for future Trevor Lawrence's, and in the SEC, they might eventually challenge Alabama for recruiting supremacy. Iowa State and now Vanderbilt could become part of a Midwest conference that included Cincinnati, Tulsa, Tulane, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Rice, Central Florida, South Florida, and UAB.
Let's add the two teams into this mix, putting one in each division. East--Oklahoma into the #2 spot, dropping the rest down 1 West--Texas into the #5 spot, dropping the rest down 1 Alabama and Georgia might as well be in their own 2-team league. The other 12 are just side dishes and salads to the Tide-Bulldog main dish.
When the SEC went to 12 teams and split into divisions in 1991-92, it was just a short matter of time before other conferences moved to follow suit so they would not be lost in the shuffle. It is quite obvious that if OU and UT join the SEC, the ACC, Big Ten, and Pac-12 will have to follow suit, or possible, the Big 12 could try to raid the Pac-12 with Arizona, Arizona St., Colorado, and Utah. Looking at the current makeup, there are 14 in the ACC, 14 in the Big Ten, 14 in the SEC, 12 in the Pac-12, and 10 in the Big 12. Add Notre Dame and BYU, and this totals 66 schools. Obviously, the eventual final makeup will be 4 super leagues of 16 schools, so two current schools in Power 5 will most likely be relegated to the next rung down. If you thought that Nebraska and Oklahoma would always be a rivalry, or Colorado and Nebraska, or Texas and Arkansas, Virginia and Maryland, SMU and TCU, or even West Virginia and Penn State, and that these rivalries would never end, then you can easily foresee a time when Bedlam is no longer played; when Notre Dame and USC is no longer played; and possible Duke-Carolina or Vandy-Tennessee. The only rivalries guaranteed to remain in force are the Commander-In-Chief games with Army, Navy, and Air Force. If Notre Dame remains a football independent, they may find themselves the new Holy Cross or Fordham. In super conference alignments, the schools will have mandated schedules to play only within the superconference arena. The Irish would be reduced to playing AAC, MAC, CUSA, and Sun Belt teams, and that strength of schedule will never get them in the Playoffs. Here is how I could see the future. ACC--Adds Notre Dame and West Virginia Big Ten--Adds Kansas and Oklahoma St. Pac-12--Adds TCU, Baylor, Texas Tech, and Kansas St. SEC--Adds Iowa State and subtracts Vanderbilt Vandy and BYU would be the two of the current 66 that wouldn't make the cut. BYU could return to the MWC. Vandy would fit in the AAC where they are already members in at least one sport.