C'mon man. They produced a piece of paper saying no one received free stuff. How much more ironclad can it get?
Answers? Heard my comments? Dude, what an idiot. Where are you going to school, OM?
You know, I certainly don't know firsthand who or what business did or didn't give free merch out. But to be honest, the whole OM debacle just leaves a bad taste in people's mouth, including the NCAA, and this doesn't help.You literally had a player confirm on national TV that coaches were involved in impermissable benefits. There are pictures of star recruits flashing wads of money after a recruiting visit. There are texts clearly showing an assistant AD knows about and is seemingly involved in impermissible payments. Freeze said 'ain't done nuthin' wrong, bring it on' and there followed punishments for impermissible benefits and now allegations of a couple dozen more.And OM response has been to admit some stuff happened but deny anyone but the one they cut loose had anything to do with it, insist there is a program of compliance of the highest integrity during the time in which a couple of dozen violations occurred. The prior assistant AD has lawyered up, but then said nah, it was all me but I didn't know what was going on. And now a store is suing college students and threatening to sue the NCAA for allegations which no amount of books can prove are not true.Add to that mysterious comas and students literally falling high from windows, and yeah, the whole program has a stinch to it. These lawsuits aren't going to change that, just add to it.
And a 13 or 14 year old running a 4.6 in the 40? If that was close to accurate, hope we keep up with him.
Good camp. More fun for the kids than serious skills training, but there's only so much you can do in a few hours. 1400 kids for the day, and I think Dak managed to play with all of them in small groups and every kid got a chest bump or high five.
UCF kicker says he refuses to stop making videos for popular YouTube channel even if NCAA suspends him
I agree with you guys about this being absurd. However, there are specific clauses in the NCAA bylaws that prohit student athletes from being paid for any media appearance. That may cause monetization from youtube videos to be seen and treated differently than flipping burgers. Not that I agree... just saying.
Can an athlete play the role of entrepreneur and open a kickstarter campaign for funding? Oh no, someone might funnel some impermissible benefits that way.Look, I understand what you're saying, but a wad of cash hand to hand is less trackable and less publicly visible than money funneled through youtube or any other similar legitimate enterprise. I'm confident that boosters wanting to get money to athletes will continue to do so with ease.
The NCAA is drawing a line that is arbitrary, and I don't see how it can possibly stand up to scrutiny. Yes, I know there are specific statements in NCAA bylaws regarding profiting from media appearances, and I'm sure this is what their request to Donald is based on.wolfman says "get a job." How about an insurance agent. This seems a fairly common job former athletes find themselves in, perhaps naturally exploiting some familiarity with their names and/or loyalty to their former schools. Can you appear in a commercial or on a billboard promoting yourself as an agent? Other insurance agents routinely do this. A student athlete can get a job, but even that is limited? "Taking a semester (or year) off" doesn't help, as the NCAA rules for Div I are pretty clear that once amateur status is lost, it isn't regained. Div II and III have some varying leeway on that it seems.What other jobs are excluded? What if the athlete is a painter. Can he sell his works? Is that a form of prohibited "media"? Can't be a musician either I suppose. Dak Prescott could flip burgers, and his popularity could have been a great benefit for the Burger King or wherever he works, but don't get caught on a commercial or poster made to exploit your presence and generate more business, because even if still making minimum wage you'll never play another down of amateur football.This is just nonsense. And it really just follow's the NCAA's long history of denying that there is any employer-employee relationship for student athletes by insisting that their scholarship awards are not contingent on actual participation in the sport once on campus, while at the same time passing bylaw changes that explicitly put in place review mechanisms that allow scholarships to be yanked for non-participation.It's blatant hypocrisy. I'm not in favor of college athletes raking in big bucks routinely, but the position the NCAA holds just isn't sensible. They are simultaneously treating athletes as employees, and not employees. They either are, or aren't.
No. I dont think you get it.
Former Ole Miss assistant Barney Farrar continues to support Freeze: He never asked me to break any rules
"No one but me knew what was going on."But you needed to add..."I did all of these things, but did nit knowingly do anything wrong."Is it just me, it is this whole thing from OM just ludicrous? Now Barney and OM is trying to point to Mullen as being behind everything. Hello, your own player fessed up on national TV. There were already been violations confirmed regarding Tunsil just a couple of years ago. And his texts regarding Barney were damning. Oh, forgot, that was just jock code for an NCAA assistance fund.Mullen didn't forge ACT results, or get Tunsil a ride, it any of the other of dozens of things OM has done recently. If the NCAA asked Mullen about any knowledge of OM cheating, he probably responded "yeah, of course they are." The same as practically anyways be else in the country nit an OM fan.Keep pointing at everyone else and not taking responsibility for what you did. That's why the investigation has lasted so long, and the hammer will come down so hard.
When your family members root for another program you should try to be more tolerant of them.
OM: 'We never paid a player to come here. Yes, payments were arranged, but it wasn't us, it was Farrar, and the payment wasn't actually made, and he didn't come here anyway. And that never ever ever happened for any other player. Ever.'Does the administration think the NCAA or anyone else is going to buy that?
You're talking about weedwhacker accidents, and calling out another post as a troll? Jesus, how pitiful can you get?
Why do you keep calling him Jesus? That's just weird.
I pretty much agree with John here if looking at this from the narrow perspective of having the best coach. I think Freeze is a good, not great, coach but there's less than a zero percent chance OM could land a better coach right now if they were to fire Freeze. I think its unlikely Freeze is able to stay when the dust settles, but if there's a chance, why not ride it out and hope you can keep him?Then there's the perspective that firing Freeze and cleaning house early may have ended this investigation earlier, nit hurt recruiting as much, perhaps lightened eventual punishment, made it easier to find a decent replacement, and blunted the negative public perception. But that boat has already sailed for OM so now there's not much to loose by just keeping him for now and praying.
You aren't serious are you? Tuberville was probably the biggest ass of a coach I've ever seen, and yes, he took the field for Ole miss. He'd call up a hail Mary on 4th down from the 50 with 4 seconds left and a 3 td lead. Great character.
OL, and Mullen insisting on featuring a 155 lb back until the end of the season.
The conversation can include those issues. Certainly, star players don't become stars in a vaccuum. They need other players around them blocking, passing, catching or whatever. They need an organized team, coaching and training, facilities, a university and system of universities to provide matchups and a stage to perform on, and negotiate media contracts so more people can watch and idolize them. All of those can make some legitimate argument that they should receive some portion of spoils from the stars. So lets talk about. The university gets a lot of it, but not all. A portion goes to ALL players on the team, but with a bonus or extra percentage to the aactual player whose name, face, or number generated the endorsement deal.It doesn't have to be allnor nothing.
Well, just how close it is and whether it is "too close" is a matter of opinion and up for each individual to consider. I presume the universities have the right to sell jerseys, correct? Does that extend to selling pictures, licensing the name or likeness for game, etc.? I have assumed it does. If a university can profit off a player in such a wide variety of ways, I'm open to the discussion about whether that's right.And by "a little to close" I'm obviously not saying the universities own the players. Just that some aspects mirror that relationship more than makes me comfortable.
John, I'm not sure I disagree with your overall position, but this whole article seemed full of contradiction and hard to follow.It's a stretch to suggest that the NCAA system is fair to student athletes... but they are the envy on campus?Most programs have more money than they know what to do with... but few are in the black?If a player has hopes of making the NFL, the college system is his only path... but no one is forcing him to sign a letter of intent?The minor league system is tough... so college football players should just shut up?In any case, there is a big gulf between thinking players are slave labor and thinking the system is perfect. Stipends are a logical good step. Football athletes may generally have it pretty good, but IMO not having gas money for a trip home should never be a problem. Other students on campus ARE allowed to get part time jobs, and tons of them do. Even some of the ones getting full ride academic scholarships. Stipends help fill that gap. Other than that, I think there is some room for discussion on money made from their likeness, name, signature, etc. Yes, the college feeds them, coaches them, trains them, but this is getting a little too close to owning them for my comfort.But in general I agree that players shouldn't be making gobs of money alongside their coaches and administrators. At least, I think that's the point you were making.
A chance. Whatever the $$ happens to be, that chance is worth more.
There are lots of ways at looking at this and ranking coaches. You could count national or conference titles, win loss record, bowl appearances or wins, recruiting rankings, etc. All have some merit.One approach might be to compare a coaches record to the historical average for that school. I'm not sure how all sec coaches would shake out, but in that context Mullen looks like a heck of a coach.
Dang. Well I'm glad he was OK after this last scare.
Must have been a rich receiving class this year? Lots of good receivers on that list. Really surprised at Fred Ross.Richie Brown doesn't have elite athletic skills. He just knows how to play ball. If a team gives him a chance in camp, they might be surprised.
Croon at Ole Miss? Hmm. Don't remember that.
I thought this had been known for a while now?
MSU could certainly use him.
Right organization is key. As good as Dak played, no doubt that being put in a situation that allowed him to excel was hugely beneficial. If the Browns grab CK in a latter round, it could be disaster. If the Pats grab him as a project, he could be great. And everything in-between.
But Jordan had the baseball skills of an average at best college player.Tebow has one valuable weapon half of all major league players don't.Continuing with the "its all publicity and undeserved" angle is stupid. Shocking, I know.