C'mon y'all. For the sake of argument, let's do a bit of role-reversal. If Alabama had won 44-16 & I as a Clemson fan came in here to make this argument, I'd get laughed out of the room.
If it were only a matter of wins & losses, Durkin might deserve to keep his job, as it certainly seemed that he had that program trending upward. If the Maryland administration were focused only on that bottom line, he just might possibly be able to survive this scandal. But the more pertinent question is whether the program can continue to move forward under his leadership now that so much bad has gone public. Durkin has a track record as a good recruiter, but henceforth would parents be willing entrust their sons to play there? And there is also the matter of whether the university could live with the stain on its image that retaining him would entail. Add on top of that the certainty of lawsuits & litigation (which will likely drag on for several years), & the totality of it I think is just too much for Durkin to be able to survive. Maryland may be desperate for athletic success, but occasionally one faces something more important than wins & losses. The obvious call will be to cut their losses now & start over.
I'd be shocked if Brent Venables were to leave Clemson right now. His team is about to play for an ACC title & spot in the College Football Playoff; throughout his career he's been nothing if not loyal, so it's hard to see him just up & leaving with so much on the line. He is, by all accounts, quite happy in Clemson, making $1.7m as defensive coordinator & linebackers coach. What is more, his son Jake is set to join the Clemson team as a linebacker next season.
For the short term at least, it's safe to say that Dabo Swinney isn't going anywhere. He has deep roots in Clemson, and his son Drew is a freshman receiver on the Clemson team. Same for Brent Venables -by all accounts he loves living in Clemson, and his son Jake will join the team next season. Now, Dabo has never made any secret of his love for the Crimson Tide and his pride in making their team as a walk-on and winning the '92 national title. But he also has a lot of sweat equity in the program at Clemson - he's been here 15 years - and right now there is no reason for him not to stay put and reap the rich harvest he and his coaches have sown. I doubt that Dabo - or any other proven winner of a head coach for that matter - would be keen to succeed Nick Saban at Alabama, where the only direction he could go would be down. Though further down the road - say, in 7 or 8 years - perhaps he might choose to succeed the coach who succeeds Saban.
Do you think these are the same students who would attend football games on campus? Every large, public university has activists, but I doubt these are the students who get excited about college football. Believe it or not, there are conservatives in Berkeley; just as there are liberals at Ole Miss. Whatever one's personal opinions, football games are usually a politics-free zone to most fans.
I suspect that reports of the ACC's imminent demise are greatly exaggerated. Seriously, where does anyone get this idea that the ACC is teetering? In 2016 at least, it was provably the best conference in college football. Maybe things appeared differently back in 2010-11, but these days its future appears bright. The SEC, to its credit, has never sought to add teams that didn't already want out of their old conferences. I'm not aware of any feelers that Clemson, Virginia Tech, Florida State or N.C. State have put out toward joining the SEC. Is there anything to this article other than fantasy & speculation?
I attended the Clemson-Pitt game back on Nov. 12. Our defense simply couldn't stop Pitt's offense that day. I came away truly impressed by Coach Canada's ability to identify our defensive weaknesses & devise an offensive game plan to exploit them. But it always comes down to personnel.
Rather than brief clock stoppages after 1st downs, it has been the replays that have been mainly responsible for slowing the game down (along with excessive TV timeouts too). I continue to believe that replay & the ability to review/overturn calls on the field has improved the game, but hopefully some way can be found to speed this along.
Lane Kiffin can't open his mouth without something asinine coming out of it.
" . . . still dumb founded that they hired him." I can't help but think that Will Muschamp was probably their 4th or 5th choice, but the crux of the matter was that nobody else with any better credentials wanted this job. Unlike Georgia, South Carolina was & remains a multi-year rebuilding project. For all his success at USC - unprecedented in their entire history of playing intercollegiate football - Steve Spurrier when he bailed on them last year in mid-season left next to nothing in terms of SEC- or ACC-level talent. But one thing he did leave them with was greatly raised expectations. Until their 2010-2013 run, USC fans would celebrate being bowl-eligible, & would be ecstatic over 8 wins in a season. Nowadays that won't suffice to keep the boosters & fans happy, especially after their arch-rival made back-to-back appearances in the College Football Playoff & won the 2016 national championship. On top of the unrealistic expectations, USC in-state has to recruit against Dabo Swinney. Whatever his shortcomings as a coach at Florida, Muschamp does bring a reputation as an ace recruiter. Only time will tell if he'll get the job done at USC, but in my opinion they could've done a lot worse. If they're willing to give him time, he should be able to get them back to competitiveness in the SEC East, though I'm skeptical about them getting back to 11 wins any time soon.
I'm not privy to any inside information, but it does appear that Kiffin must have wanted out from his position at Alabama. It's pretty far down the ladder from HC at Houston to HC at Florida Atlantic. Personally, if I were an AD, I wouldn't even think about hiring him. It's not that he can't coach & win, just that he can't be counted on to stick around long enough to build a program. Lane Kiffin's only loyalty is to himself.
I'm by no means a denialist about the racism of our past & present society. But baseless allegations of "racism" get tossed around so much that the word at some point gets stripped of any meaning. Yes, Clemson has some ugly racism in its past. So does practically every other formerly all-white public university in the South. My father played for Clemson in the late 1950s, & he told me what it was like back then - not just Clemson but the entire South. Clemson's record on this matter is certainly no worse than comparable southern universities; in fact, it's better than many of them. Heck, there was a time in the not-too-distant past when a black person would be arrested just for setting foot on USC's campus. In stating that, my intent is not to get into a tit-for-tat argument over this matter. Rather, my point is that we fans should try to avoid tossing around accusations of racism - especially unfounded ones - as we snipe at one another. Really, we just shouldn't go there, for none of our hands are clean.
Gee, SC fans just bursting with Bama pride!
Wow, losing to S.C. must be a stink that can never be rinsed off.
I don't know if Baylor's interim HC wants the job permanently or not. But Baylor does have a really good one right now in Jim Grobe. West Virginia is playing well right now, but Dana Holgorson's teams have been mediocre at best since 2012.
I'm sure it's Herman's agent who is doing the talking at this point, not the HC himself. But perhaps it's just that his players & coaches can already read the writing on the wall, so to speak. In addition to the losses to Navy (somewhat understandable) & SMU (total head-scratcher), there was the close call against Tulsa. We all hear about how this or that coach has a great "football mind" or is an offensive or defensive "genius". But in my opinion, the true measure of a head coach is how he responds to adversity, how he can find answers & motivate his team when things aren't going so well. What matters is where a program stands after 5 years rather than 1 or 2 years. With regard to Herman, right now we just don't know.
So a neighbor claiming to smell marijuana is enough probably cause for police to get a warrant? Or do police even bother with that anymore before executing a search?
It looks like the hurricane will have come & gone from Gainesville by game time.
"Dabo Swinney and Clemson. The man is a glorified cheerleader" Do you really believe this? What would make you think this? On the specific point here, Clemson entered last season ranked #12, & did not crack the top 10 until after beating then-#6 Notre Dame to improve to 4-0. Not nearly the same level of hype as Tennessee this season or Auburn last season.
As for UNC being legit, I'll believe it when I see it. Gene Chizik can coach defense, but I'm not convinced that the Tarheels will be able to stop UGa's running game. Though they're still loaded with plenty of offensive weapons, I'm not convinced that the they'll be the same juggernaut as last year minus Marquise Williams. I expect Georgia to take control of this game in the 2nd half. Georgia 34 North Carolina 24.
"Clempson loses to teams they shouldn’t" Clemson presently has a 39-game win streak against unranked teams, 2nd only to Alabama. Its last such loss occurred in November 2011. Not that it couldn't happen on the Plains this Saturday - Auburn may play lights out, pick up a few turnovers, block a punt, return a kickoff for a touchdown, & hold Clemson to less than 38. But it ins't going to happen because SEC or all that "Clemsoning" BS.
Agreed. THIS is the reason that we shouldn't automatically assume that Dabo Swinney would jump to Alabama. Following a legend is always a challenge, especially when the only direction one can go is down. Frank Solich was quite successful following Tom Osborne at Nebraska, but he still got fired after a 9-3 season. Would Dabo risk his fantastic career arc by going to a school where 9 or 10 wins a year just isn't goint to cut it? Jimbo Fisher has been exceptionally successful following Bobby Bowden at Florida State, but everyone knew he had some rebuilding to do as their program had slipped into mediocrity between 2004 & 2009, so he at least was granted a honeymoon period. To be sure, there's pressure to win at Clemson, but at Alabama that pressure is just off the charts. What is more, Dabo has deep roots in Clemson (13 years now) & has built it into a recruiting juggernaut that shows no signs of slowing down. And let's not forget that Dabo played at Alabama while Bill Curry was head coach & coached there on Mike DuBose's staff (not a glorious period in Crimson Tide history), so he knows first-hand how nasty some fans can be when things aren't going their way.
So much ado about something so purely speculative. Clemson & Alabama are about to play for the national championship, & the game abounds with great story-lines without having to make stuff up. But if the author is so convinced that Dabo Swinney would jump to Alabama at the 1st opportunity, I can offer several reasons why he wouldn't. First of all, Dabo has deep roots in Clemson. He's been there since 2003, was handed an incredible opportunity in 2008, & has made the most of it - 75-26 record, 5 consecutive 10-win seasons, 2 ACC titles & 3 Atlantic division titles, consensus 2015 national coach of the year, playing for the national championship. He's been able to assemble an outstanding coaching staff & turned Clemson into a recruiting juggernaut. But it all took some time: it was his good fortune that as interim head coach in 2008 he was able to beat USC; that Clemson AD Terry Don Phillips stood by him after the 6-7 record in 2010; & that his down-to-earth, aw-shucks manner won over most Clemson fans from the start, even as most pundits & "experts" were declaring that he was in way over his head. Coach Swinney clearly is the architect of what this program has become, & I'm not convinced he'd leave just because Alabama came calling. Second, in the general sense it's always difficult to succeed a legend. And in the case of Alabama, the only direction things can go is down. Why succeed a legend at Alabama when he can become one at Clemson? Third, Dabo's coaching tenure at Alabama wasn't a particularly glorious time for their program. As a player, his first head coach, Bill Curry, had to contend with death threats & once had a brick thrown through his office window after a loss. So even if he wouldn't say it out loud, he knows firsthand how nasty Alabama fans can be when things aren't going their way (not that Tide fans are unique in this regard). There's pressure to win at Clemson, but at Alabama that pressure is off the charts.
And you aren't helping your case with ad hominem attacks like this. I'm a longtime reader (though recent poster) at SDS. I've never contended that the SEC wasn't a strong league. My motive for commenting on this thread was to attempt, however in vain, to penetrate the self-congratulatory, self-referential media bubble in which so many SEC fans live.
Garnetman, I was at the game at Williams-Brice. USC scored a garbage touchdown @ 0:01 to make the game look close. But if you would count failure to beat USC by at least 21 or so points as an embarrassment, well, that's a reflection on where USC football finds itself right now. As for our ACC rivals, Virginia is in the other division & we didn't play them this year. But I'll note that the last-place team in the Coastal, Georgia Tech, beat the same Florida State team that skunked Florida at the Swamp. The last-place team in the Atlantic, Boston College, has a championship-caliber defense. I was at the BC game & it's worth noting that Clemson was only team whose offense was able to move the ball on BC all season. For what it's worth, if they were to play right now, I'd pick Syracuse over Kentucky or Missouri in a heartbeat. And speaking of the FCS, how 'bout those Citadel Bulldogs!
First of all, "Vegas" is full of crap. I don't bet on football games, because my money it too hard-earned to throw it away, but I know that betting lines are based not so much on some power-rating differential between the 2 teams but rather at the point where the sports books expect the bets will be split evenly. So in the end, they're based on more on public perception & conventional wisdom than anything else. All of that proved to be spectacularly wrong with the Clemson-Oklahoma game - we were 4-point underdogs to them, for crying out loud! What is more, much of this public perception is based on nothing more than the scorn verging on contempt that national sports media, pundits & so-called "experts" have for the ACC. As for strength of schedule, at this point in the season there's no point in getting all reductive about what this team or that did in their bowls. Yes, the SEC had a fantastic bowl season, & that will be reflected in the final rankings. All I'll say is that the CFP committee all season long never had problem with our strength of schedule. Every conference & has its upper-tier, middle-tier & lower-tier teams. Say what you will about the ACC, but I'll state as fact that there is not a single team in our league that could be counted as a pushover. Anyway, agreed that this is all academic now. At this point, no one is seriously arguing that these aren't the 2 best teams in the country.
Let's see . . . Number 1 wins handily against a quality opponent, who many "experts" said was playing the best football in the country. Number 2 likewise wins handily against a quality opponent. Number 1 is undefeated; number 2 has one loss. So logically number 2 should be bumped over number 1. Because SEC? So glad this will get settled on the field! Thankfully not by the talking heads & so-called experts, because if that were so we wouldn't stand a chance. Go Tigers!
My how people underestimate Coach Swinney! He's the consensus 2015 national coach of the year. His team is ranked #1, undefeated, & playing in the college football playoff. His overall record is 75-26. He's won 2 ACC titles & 3 Atlantic Division titles. He consistently pulls in top-15 ranked recruiting classes. He has brought priceless exposure to his school. As impressive as his teams have been on the field, he's been just as successful at getting his players to succeed academically - Clemson ranks #4 among all the bowl teams in its graduation rate. On top of all this, he's always been a model of personal & professional integrity. People can say what they will about his dance moves, but really, there's just not much else with which to find fault.
What was AD Ray Tanner "smoking"? Likely he was choking on the fumes of the 3-alarm house fire that was SC football this season. The reason he settled on Will Muschamp? Simple - no other qualified candidate wanted this job. Given the depletion in talent, SC appears to be a multiyear rebuilding job rather than holding the promise of a quick return to glory. One thing Steve Spurrier did accomplish at SC was greatly raised expectations: not so long ago SC fans would wildly celebrate becoming bowl-eligible, but after the 3 consecutive 11-win seasons, 6 or 7 wins won't cut it anymore. As always, the climb is steep - the SEC East is on the upswing (at least Florida & Tennessee are; Georgia wait & see) - and their in-state rival Clemson has become a recruiting juggernaut & is currently ranked #1 in every poll. Regarding USC's 1st-, 2nd- or 3rd-choice head-coach candidates, there's a reason why they all decided to stay put or go elsewhere. At many of the other open jobs, there is a better prospect of success in the short-term, without the off-the-charts pressure of an SEC school to win big & win now. To any up-&-coming, hot-hire coaching prospect, taking the SC job would seem like career suicide. Will Muschamp? At least he wanted the job, & he's craving a 2nd chance. And we all know he can recruit. So all in all, considering what the options were, I'd posit that SC came out ok with this hire.
One has to suspect that Will Muschamp was SC's probably 5th or 6th choice, but hey, at least he wanted the job. There are some reasons why no hot, up-&-coming coaches would take this job. In the abstract, it's always difficult to succeed a legend, but here, one particular legend has left the cupboard more-or-less bare, so there's an obvious need for an immediate talent upgrade. But for all their recruiting acumen, WM & his staff are going find the going much tougher here, at a school that does have adequate resources & fan support but has practically no winning tradition to speak of (outside of Steve Spurrier's recent success). What is more, they'll have to recruit against Dabo Swinney in-state, along with all the other southeastern powerhouses out-of-state. It's a huge uphill climb. One thing Steve Spurrier definitely accomplished during his tenure at SC was to raise expectations. It wasn't so long ago that SC fans would celebrate becoming bowl-eligible, but winning 6 or 7 games a year isn't going to satisfy this fan base anymore. This job is a multi-year rebuilding project, & I doubt that the SC fans & administration will turn out to be that patient. In this context, this job looks more like career suicide than an opportunity a coach would covet, which is why all the higher choices either stayed put or went elsewhere. The SC football program has always had a losing mojo about it, which - along with their habit of hiring big names way past their prime (from Paul Dietzel to Lou Holtz) - is why this school has long been known as the graveyard of coaches.