Raised a Tennessee fan (where my father went to graduate school) in Louisiana. Became an LSU fan when I attended school there. Would love to see LSU beat Tennessee in the SECCG every year.
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maybe it should be about education, but isn't anymore. When coaches are raking in 11 million dollars, its about money.
who said anything about social experiments? and you can make general statements about why all students are in college, but you're once again missing the part where not all students generate billions of dollars for their university, conference, television, literally everyone involved but themselves.
exactly stategrad. We need to at least open up to the idea of having a conversation about it. A really good start would be letting them profit from autographs, interviews, hell idk book deals.... even if the university isn't paying them, its INSANE that they are prohibited from profiting in other ways.
well, at least we're getting somewhere. compromise is fun. Still, I feel like Crist and most of the commenters are missing the point. It doesn't really matter what opinion you guys have of what they "deserve".... it doesn't really matter what phony value you assign to the "experience". It doesn't really matter was kind of broad judgments of character you guys associate with these athletes, positive or negative, those that finish, those that don't, or those that get kicked out for battering women. All of that is irrelevant. What matters is that these kids are producing something worth billions of dollars. If you are responsible for a product, you should reap the reward. Even if you don't want to pay an 18 year old a million dollars, the VERY LEAST you could do is not kick him out of school for signing autographs.... the least you could is pay him something when you plaster his face on billboards across an entire region of the country. Pay them out of the television $. Pay them for their image. They should own their own image. The comparisons to other students are inane. They put in more hours, more effort, have higher expectations, and most importantly ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE PRODUCTION OF MORE MONEY than any other student on campus.... all while maintaining the same educational requirements as the accounting major who goes to class a couple times a week and produces very little monetary value for the university. If you want them to remain amatuer, don't charge admission to the games. Don't devote billions of dollars to covering it. and for the love of god, quit pretending like its benevolent to try to control or worry about how they spend it. Its not. Its not your responsibility. IF the institution and the state values their football program enough to devote tax money to their program, then sobeit. If the service provided by these young men is worth that price tag, then pay it and shut up. If it isn't, don't have a football team. For those saying that it would kill competitiveness, it wouldn't. Bama and the bluebloods ALREADY spend way more on facilities and recruiting gimmicks than Vandy or Miss St. At least it would go towards Tunsil's mothers electric bill instead of a bean bag chair and a slip n slide and a putt putt course.
I know that things change, and that logistically it makes some sense... but I'll just say that Mizzou doesn't feel like a west team, and auburn doesn't feel like an east team. If that makes any sense.
Last year showed every bit of depth he could have recruited, seeing as everyone was injured lol. I understand the impetus to give him more time, but to me, its all about who is available. Butch isn't a bad coach or anything and we know he can recruit, but perhaps he was always more of a transition guy. People seriously underestimate the depths that Dooley drove the program into, and Jones has put Tenn back in a good position. But even when the talent was there last year and healthy, there were some underwhelming performances. Most of my family are very very very patient and reasonable Vol fans... even they are getting itchy.
a citation for 12 grams? good job state of florida (relatively, at least).... in Louisiana they'd have thrown him in the gulag.
surely you at least support them receiving monetary compensation for jersey sales, their image on billboards, etc etc? Fine if you don't wanna give them a salary. But when you see the school, the bookstore, the apparel company make hundreds of thousands of dollars on the folks walking around with number 7 jerseys, you don't think Fournette and TM and others should be compensated? I mean, if an engineering major designed a new part for a jet engine, he should be paid for its use right? He wouldn't be kicked out of the university for receiving improper benefits. He would be lauded as a hero. If an english major wrote a book, and then went after class to sign copies of it for a small fee, we would promote him as an example of the success you can have at LSU, not suspend him. Its backwards.
some of the fans stay. But you have to win. The reason the few programs in the country that generate a profit for their school do so is at least partially because they are historical powerhouses. They win. UL-Monroe isn't going to generate a profit because they aren't bringing in the best players in the country. Those players are why LSU gets their games on television. It's why our coaches get paid millions. And I agree, most college students shouldn't have to support their family, but the reality is that most college students aren't generating millions of dollars for their universities.
Volmaster, no doubt they have many "nice" fans. I don't mean to say they aren't. --- and Old Army, yes, I was making a generalization of your fanbase as a jab. for pleasure. and I didn't accuse you of generalizing a fanbase, I made a jab at you for sounding like an old Ag with a monocle, sneering out at all of the regular people from your maroon balcony. its fun. sorry, carry on.
Yea Crist, I gotta say.... "yea but minor league baseball players have it rough too" isn't particularly convincing. I'm not gonna use the term slave labor or anything, but the notion that a college football coach is underpaid at 11 million a year, while the kids who are on the field are fairly compensated in the form of tuition and a bag of tshirts, headphones, and tennis shoes is too far. I'm not saying they have a horrible life or anything. But I am saying that there is a problem when guys like Tunsil pack Vaught-Hemingway stadium while their mothers can't pay the electric bill. Are you really comparing 4 years of access to a mini-golf course or having a flat screen in your locker, which you can lose access to at literally any given time, to signing a contract worth millions of dollars? I'm not saying the players should make millions, but stipends is a good start. I would add that ANY money made by selling their image, their likeness, their jersey number, etc etc should go to them. And that much like their coaches or fellow students, they should be allowed to transfer and play at any school, any time (so long as they are academically eligible). At LSU, I was given a free ride, scholarships for room/board, food, etc. Very little was paid out of pocket. I also had access to delicious food, tutors, and professionals in my field.... but I don't generate a half a percent of what those players do for the university in terms of revenue or advertising, and I damnsure didn't have to work as hard.
Wish they would just broadcast the bands at halftime.
lol I don't think he was saying that at all. I've always thought that with the decided advantage in coaching, the bye week before that game was just another chance for Alabama to distance themselves from LSU. With as great of a coach as Saban is etc etc, I'd prefer him have as little time as possible lol. And yea, when a team wins this many in a row, I'd prefer our guys to not have time to simmer on it.
Surprise. Another aTm fan disparaging the behavior of rivals, as if the aggies were some patrician model of superior culture.
Still can't understand the Bielema love... Mason should be much higher IMO
boo, we don't want Mizzou lol... could we ship them to the Big 10 and add FSU, Miami, and Oklahoma? never happen, I know.
I thought people would be up in arms about the coaching rankings... I get that its predicated heavily on the head man, but having Aranda on the staff at all ought to mean more than whats cooking in fayetteville. Love Dan Mullen, but haven't they been cycling through coordinators like every year or 2? And while Sumlin is still in limbo, John Chavis is unquestionable. Part of Nick Saban's genius is his staff. I'd weight the coordinators more.
special teams were atrocious last year. hope the staff shakeup fixes that. with the way our quarterback situation is looking, we might need some special teams scores and much better kick coverage to win.
so hard to gauge the talent... most of the highlight reel was him breaking free after mahomes had danced around for a while... or being wide open anyways and being tackled shortly after. Obviously, the numbers look good, but then again, they would. I have the feeling some of the young guys on the roster currently are more explosive and physically gifted. but the more the merrier, a few impressive catches there.
Kirk has been very very high on LSU the last couple of seasons. I miss that period when he and Corso seemed to pick against us every time. Feels like a curse now..... will never forget he and Corso saying Oregon was "just too fast" along with everyone else on national television
not hating here by a long shot, but the author wrote that while its a 3-team race, it is simply unbelievable that Tennessee could beat bama twice in 1 season.... assuming of course bama wins the west and tennessee the east. And he isn't crazy for saying it.
being from the prison capital of the world, I wouldn't have been surprised if he escaped from a Louisiana prison, but I also wouldn't have been surprised if he were shot instantly. visited Angola once. Still guards on horseback overseeing inmates swinging sickles. Chase them with hounddogs if they run. yeesh. very 1840's....
thats a fine group of safeties there. The silver lining to all of the injuries last year is that the young guys got to play. Even if they weren't spectacular at every step of the way, we know most of them can do it with a little more practice, maturity, and focus. I think the Vols will do better as an after-thought, as opposed to the prohibitive favorite.
which guy got bailed out? --- Of all the highlights shown in the article, Lowary was by far the most impressive to me. Both of those throws were beautiful! kind of weird mechanics, but that kid can sling it.
missouri seems high.... lsu too.
Gotta be Mullen. To me, he and Freeze are kind of similar, but Freeze is a higher risk/reward. Sure, Freeze has had a few superstar players and has managed to beat Bama twice, but overall seems less consistent (not to mention the scandal). With Mullen, he doesn't have the history to work with, he doesn't draw huge recruiting stories, but the guy has won about as much. It's impressive. As for Malzahn and McElwain, you should expect those things from those programs. Lately, they haven't performed as well. I know its all about wins and losses.... but something should be said for the fashion in which you win games. Florida and Auburn both have appeared underwhelming on the field for a couple years now (compared to the talent level they are capable of pulling in)
! didn't even consider that, good point.... so disrespected, I didn't even remember!
ColoradoGator, I hear what you're saying. But surely you realize that you're doing the exact same thing. Obviously, any window one picks is mostly arbitrary... you chose "prior to this year" and "since 2000" and even chose to exclude anyone not drafted in the first round. It's the same as saying "top 10" or "since 2007". Personally, I tend to focus more on what they guy is actually doing in the NFL. In terms of being a recruiting moniker, Patrick Peterson Tyrann Mathieu Eric Reid are simply doing more than Hayden and Nelson for the brand, regardless of what round they were drafted in. Looking at players in the NFL right this second, LSU has more defensive backs, more probowlers, more starters, etc etc etc. ---- I'm not saying there isn't an argument to be made. But even the "since 2013 and prior to this year" cherrypicking is kind of weak since LSU has literally only had 3 or 4 starters leave during that time period. White has been starting for 4 years, Adams for almost 3, and even the guys that left school during that period did get drafted (Jalen Collins, Jalen Mills {both playing} -- Rashard Robinson was kicked off the team his soph season and got drafted 2 years later anyway})... I guess my point is that there was a lull statistically those 4 years, but it wasn't that LSU guys weren't making it... it's that there were few starters eligible.
This might be exactly what one would expect from an LSU fan.... but I still think Florida is too high. I agree, its probably the least respect a back-to-back division winner has ever received.... but there's a reason for it. In fact, I think part of the reason they're getting even a little love is that people feel obligated to consider the b2b division titles. The offense has been utterly flacid since McE arrived, and Muschamp's defense is gone. I'm not sure Franks is gonna come in and fix everything so easily. Then again, with the East going like it has been, I guess it wouldn't be shocking for them to sneak into another Bama beatdown in the SEC champ game. at any rate, I can see Auburn as the challenger. Honestly, I don't envy having to make this list. I'd put Bama 1, Auburn 2, and then have a 3-8 pack and a 9-14 pack. Kind of shaping up to be a weak SEC season.