Dan Mullen has Florida on brink of greatness but his program falls short in key area according to Paul Finebaum
With a resume that includes working for Urban Meyer, and now with Steve Spurrier around the program as an ambassador, Dan Mullen is regularly compared with both former great Florida coaches.
SEC Network host Paul Finebaum even went as far as to call Mullen “Steve Spurrier Jr.”
“He’s got the swag, he knows how to get under people’s skins, and at Florida he seems to be making mostly the right call,” Finebaum said Birmingham-based WJOX 94.5 FM radio program “The Roundtable.” “The one thing Dan Mullen hasn’t done yet at Florida is recruit a boat full of 5-star athletes. That has been the one mark against him where Kirby Smart and Saban and all these other guys are bringing guys these big hauls in. If Dan Mullen can start getting the elite of the elite 5-star, if they were on the sidelines Saturday, they’ll probably be rediscovering or readdressing their possibilities, then I think Florida could be as dangerous moving forward as they’ve been in the past under Spurrier and Urban Meyer.”
For context, Florida has 19 commits in the 2020 recruiting class, but none are 5-star recruits, and the Gators didn’t have any 5-stars last year. They’re currently ranked No. 6 in the SEC, and No. 15 in the country, according to the 247Sports Composite.
Better classes will come. It takes time, development of players and establishing a winning culture – everything Dan Mullen is doing. UF doesn’t drop bags of money off to recruits through boosters or pay high school coaches to steer players to their programs like some other schools. I have no problem doing it the right way. This should be celebrated, rather than finding fault with it, Paaaawl.
On the other hand, screw the NCAA for allowing crap to
If so many other schools are recruiting dirty through booster money, as you state as a given, how do you know UF isn’t doing it as well? Besides the fact that it’s what you WANT to be true? You have zero proof one way or the other – you’re pontificating from a high ground that doesn’t exist.
It’s really simple – the 5-stars go where they feel they have the best shot of being developed for the NFL and a real payday. Booster money, if it exists, is peanuts compared to what could lie down the road for a super-elite player in the right program for his development.
This is literally all they talk about on the 247 Alligator Alley recruiting board. How Kirby is obviously cheating, and the bag men at Bama, LSU, and Georgia run deep, but of course, Floriduh doesn’t, and that’s why they can’t get any 5-stars under Sideshow Dan the Clown.
Just completely ignoring all the 5-stars they got under Boom, because that would mean Sideshow Dan is what we’ve always said he is: a terrible recruiter.
How about you go back under the rock that you have been hiding under since 3:30 on Saturday.
I believe one thing you’ve said here and that’s what’s being reported on 247 Alligator Alley. One thing we know for certain is that you will know anything and everything that’s being said on every Gator board available since you live on them 24/7.
Hey Joe I thought the same thing. I haven’t checked out 247 Alligator Alley Recruiting board. I only post here every now and then and find it hilarious and sad at the same time that Corch is very familiar with everything Gator. That is why he is the #1 Georgia Moron.
Funny thing is I haven’t either. I’ve never heard of that board. Corch could probably educate us on all of the Gator boards that exist and a lot of Gator fans don’t even know about.
My point still stands, though. How can any fan say confidently that their program is clean and free of booster-driven influence? The only thing you can say with any confidence is that X program is/isn’t in hot water with the NCAA. Everything else is speculation, innuendo, and wishful/hateful thinking. Right?
Give it a few years though, with this Pay for Play legislation wave, and the boosters will have an engraved, lawful invitation to meddle with recruiting.
Dan Mullen is tied for the 4th most wins against top 10 teams since 2014. Great big-game coach!
Kirby is 4-3 against top 10 teams in his time there.
Mullen is 3-1 in his time at Florida.
Kirby is a good coach, and a great recruiter. Seems Mullen is a great coach and a good recruiter. Be exciting to see how the next few years play out.
GatorRay, Mullen didn’t play #1 Alabama twice. There are top ten teams, and then there’s Bama.
It’s funny how everytime someone mentions teams paying players, the Georgia fans get mighty defensive.
Every major college football program has cheated at one time or another. And yes, even Florida, most notably under Charley Pell in the early 1980s.
Herschel Walker famously drove a brand new black Trans Am as a Georgia undergraduate, which “his parents bought for him.”
Auburn and more recently Ole Miss reportedly did have boosters giving cash to players.
What’s funny is how every time someone cries about another program paying players it’s Florida. You had two murderers on your team back when Meyer was coaching, and Hernandez and Havin said they failed several drug tests while at Florida (and didn’t miss any playing time) and you act like you have a squeaky clean program.
Who said we have a squeaky clean program?
Whoooah. Two murderers? I don’t think any Florida Gators player has ever been charged with murder. Aaron Hernandez was convicted of murder while playing for the New England Patriots.
@Swamp79……….That might be because you ALWAYS. ACCUSE UGA OF DOING IT. And we know how hard our coaches work recruiting. While Mullen is out visiting Tim Tebow or vacationing all the time.
Florida regularly commits crimes. And they pay players to go to Florida and it’s been proven. But the fact is. YOU CAN’T PAY A 5 STAR ENOUGH TO RUIN HIS CAREER PLAYING FOR MULLEN THE CLOWN!!! The elite players USUALLY also have elite brains. They know who the real coaches are and who they are not!!!!
EVERYONE IN THE MEDIA IS PRO MULLEN AND FLORIDA. AND NOW FLORIDA HAS THE WEAKEST SCHEDULE IN THE SEC!!! I WONDER WHY????
COULD IT BE CHEATING TO TRY AND PAD YOUR SCHEDULE WHILE UGA MUST FACE ALABAMA???? Several of your fans have said……
” WITH THE SCHEDULE THE WAY IT IS. WE COULD LOSE TO UGA AND STILL WIN THE SEC EAST!!!!! ”
That sounds like YOU ALREADY EXPECT TO LOSE. And your trying to see the bright side. Well what happens when you LOSE TO UGA AND LOSE THE EAST???? Even with your PADDED SCHEDULE!!!!
I predict a few UPSETS that the gators will suffer from!!!! And a spanking from BIG BROTHER UGA!!!!! I predict DAN MULLEN WON’T BE NEAR AS FUNNY COME GAME TIME!!!!!!
PS. I PREDICT GATORS FANS CALL FOR HIS FIRING THIS NEXT SEASON!!!!!
King Negan
Honestly I get tired of Florida fans claiming other schools are cheating. They need to put up or shut up.
However, your claim also needs to be backed up. Florida has more active players in the NFL, and is a much higher rated school, than Georgia or Clemson (as of January of this year).
@GatorRay……..Higher at what??? Their NOT ranked higher!!! And no your school doesn’t have better academics either. But it’s about football. And personally I think your full of crap about more active NFL players.
Either way. WHO LEADS THE ALL TIME SERIES???? And who OWNS THE EAST right now??? And who has won 3 straight????
PS. Need a beer with those years of tears?????
King Negan
Finebaum is like that wormy kid in school that always smarted off to the wrong people but somehow always managed to talk his way out of a butt whoopin.
@Mudragon………Your CLAIM that UGA and Alabama pay players is just that, a claim!!!! You have ZERO PROOF!!!!!! The fact is that while your coach was running around on vacation. Both Saban and Smart were out recruiting their A$$ off!!!!!
Florida never pays players. YEA RIGHT!!!!! Y’all had a KNOWN GAMBLER ON CAMPUS!!!! You have nothing but known criminals on your team!!!! Just a couple years back y’all had half the team suspended FOR CREDIT CARD FRAUD!!!!!
Dan Mullen is A GOOF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Mullen is A CLOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Dan Mullen shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same breath with Steve Spurrier!!!!!!!
UGA DESTROYED FLORIDA UNDER MULLEN IN 2018. And in 2019, if the UGA OFFENSE would have been clicking. We would have beaten you by 3 scores easily!!!!!! Y’all can’t count on UGA being that bad on offense!!! The offense will be just as good as it has been in 2017 and 2018 and probably better!!!!!!!
Oh and as for it taking time? IT DIDN’T TAKE KIRBY TIME TO RECRUIT!!!!! He was recruiting a top 3 class in year 1. He didn’t make excuses!!!!!
Dan Mullen is NOT a great play caller either!!!! There were some KEY PLAYS that he missed in the UGA game that cost you bad!!!! Trying to throw for a first down needing a foot???? And he cost you the KENTUCKY GAME a few years back by trying to allow Franks to pass for a TD on the goal line!!!! That is why he got sacked and fumbled and you lost by 2 scores instead of winning!!!!!!
Mullen is a Steve Spurrier wannabe!!!!!!!!
Kirby Smart and staff are far better in game coaches. Your offense was ahead of ours last year. Your DEFENSE was close but not as good!!! But still they were close enough to win the game. But Mullen still couldn’t coach you into a win against a struggling offense!!!
Kirby out coached Mullen every time he has been up against him. Even going back to Miss State. Miss State was UNBEATEN and had crushed LSU the week before. In 2017 people were picking Miss State to beat UGA. And Mullen and his team got SLAUGHTERED!!!! That was Mullen vs Kirby Smart and they had a great team to!!!! That same team came within an inch of beating Alabama in TUSCALOOSA. But they couldn’t come close to beating UGA and Kirby Smart!!!!!!
We have our entire DEFENSE coming back from last season minus 2 players!!!! We are replacing both with 5 star players!!!! A safety and I forget the other. But our defense has a real chance to be much better than last season. We had the #1 defense in college football last year!!!!! It was all the injuries on offense that cost us!!!!! But we were much better than OU last year and we proved it. OU barely beat Baylor twice by a combined 3 to 6 points I believe.
And the last time Baylor blew a huge lead and should have beaten OU in their title game. If they hadn’t blown that huge lead. Then Baylor would have been a playoff team!!!!!!!! That being said. UGA MAN HANDLED BAYLOR WITH MOST OF OUR STARTERS SITTING ON THE BENCH EITHER HURT OR SITTING OUT!!!!! We would have man handled OU as well!!!!!!
My point is. A 2 LOSS SEC TEAM IS BETTER THAN A BIG 12 CHAMPION AND WE DESERVED TO BE IN THE PLAYOFFS TWO YEARS IN A ROW!!!!!!
People are going to see what all of the elite 5 star recruits already see. That is that UGA is the team of the near future!!! UGA IS the DYNASTY OF THE VERY NEAR FUTURE!!! Had there not been an Alabama in our way. UGA EASILY WINS THE NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP 2017 and 2018!!!!! And who is to say about 2019 then if we did??? Because there is ZERO DOUBT that many of the great players on that LSU team would have been playing for UGA instead of LSU. That is how recruiting works!!!!
To Florida fans…..THE 90s ARE OVER!!!!! They have been over!!!!!! You will never dominate UGA ever again!!!! Even IF you luck up and win a game. It will be by a few points at best. And it will be pure luck!!!!! BUT PERSONALLY I HAVE TO ACTUALLY SEE MULLEN BEAT KIRBY BEFORE I’LL BELIEVE IT!!!!! Going back to the Alabama years. I think he has beaten Mullen around 10 straight times in a row!!!!!!! Personally I don’t get all the Mullen talk or hype. I really don’t!!! I mean what has HE done???? I’m not asking what has Urban Meyer done?
We all know what Urban Meyer has done!!!!!!
BUT TELL ME WHAT MULLEN HIMSELF HAS DONE. I REALLY DO WANNA KNOW????? SO ENLIGHTEN ME, PLEASE!!!!!!
King Negan
Correction….In 2017 I believe Miss State played Alabama close in Tuscaloosa. But it could have been miss state field. But either way. Y’all nearly beat Alabama. But you couldn’t come close to beating UGA!!!!
King Negan
I agree, we need better recruits
We already have a more talented offensive line on campus. The problem is that they are true freshmen and offensive line usually takes at least a year of player development.
@NashvilleGator……..More talented than who??? NOT UGA, THAT IS FOR CERTAIN!!!! We have recruited OFFENSIVE LINE better than any team in the country period!!! If your saying their better than the line y’all have had, okay. But not better than UGA!!!! No way and no how!!!!
People think that since Cade Mays left and we lost 2 to the NFL. That UGA is somehow struggling. We are a long way from struggling!!!!! We are simply putting 5 star recruits in those spots. Not just 5 stars but rather people who were #1 in the country at their positions!!!!!! And don’t count on Ben Cleveland being gone. He was academically ineligible for 1 game!!! But he is a senior and has always made the grade and will be back!!!!!!
And we have the second coming of Todd Gurley coming in as a freshman in K Milton. Gurley was a 5 star that got demoted to 4 star. But how did that work out???
If Zachary Evans has any since he will play ANYWHERE but Florida!!! Dan Mullen has no clue how to use a running back!!! I believe UGA would still take him if he did what they need him to. His heart was at UGA. That is why he signed with us. And if we PAY SO WELL like y’all claim. Why didn’t he take the money and stay at UGA???? UGA IS BETTER FOR ZACHARY EVANS THAN ANY SCHOOL IN THE COUNTRY!!!! ALL ELITE UGA BACKS GO PRO!!! Even many UGA average backs like Tyrrell Davis set NFL RECORDS!!!!
There is just something about putting on that red and black. That takes a good back and makes him GREAT. WE TAKE GREAT BACKS AND MAKE THEM ELITE!!!!! UGA from Herschel Walker until now is the only true RBU!!!!!
JUST LOOK AT THIS
Our running backs who get torn up knees still go #1 in the NFL DRAFT!!! Todd Gurley and Nick Chubb both tore their knees and still went in ROUND 1 OF THE NFL DRAFT!!!!!!! WHY? Because UGA employs probably the #1 medical staff in the country. And UGA will pay out the A$$ for their players to get THE BEST TREATMENT THAT MONEY CAN BUY!!!!!!
Our QB Mathis had a LIFE THREATENING BRAIN HEMORRHAGE IN CLASS. But after the care that UGA gave him. HE IS NOW CLEARED TO PLAY AGAIN. DOCTORS SAY IT WAS THE FAST RESPONSE BY UGA THAT SAVED HIM!!!!!
Zamir White has had nothing but bad luck all his life. And terrible luck so far at UGA. YET HE IS STILL BACK PLAYING STRONG. AND WHEN HE GETS THAT EXTRA GEAR BACK THAT HE LOST. LOOK OUT BECAUSE HE WILL BE NFL BOUND!!!!! I doubt he would have had the fight and desire to keep coming back. Had it not been for THE PROVEN TRACK RECORD OF THE UGA MEDICAL STAFF!!! Seeing Todd Gurley and Nick Chubb return from devastating injuries had to help!!!
MY POINT IS. WHAT PARENT WOULDN’T WANT THEIR KID TO GO TO UGA??? #1 medical staff and coaches who really care. Mark Richt helped to build this caring culture. And Kirby Smart has continued it!!!!! PLUS ALMOST A GUARANTEED NFL CAREER ESPECIALLY RUNNING BACKS. But ALL POSITIONS are catching up.
PS. TOP MEDICAL STAFF AND CARING COACHES IN THE COUNTRY. ALMOST GUARANTEED NFL CAREER. AND DYNASTY OF THE FUTURE. UGA FOOTBALL IS ALL OF THIS AND MORE!!!!
King Negan
@Gatorfan07………You need a better coach to. But stick with Mullen the clown please!!! We enjoy beating him!!!!!
King Negan
Finebaum’s opinion changes like the weather but the fact remains that we are not landing the bigger recruits. However, This is not Mullen’s fault this far into his tenure. As a new coach to a program that is developing, you do the best with what you have been given. He is playing the hand well. There is no big secret to getting the 5 star recruits. Start showing up/winning in the SEC championship more often and sending guys to pro’s more consistently. Once that happens then the 5 star guys will come. I am big fan of recruiting high character guys as well though, not just 5 stars. It is hard to find a high character 5 star because they have always been the DUDE. Hard to put the team first, when you have always been the center of attention. Just look at examples such as a Kyle Trask or Emory Jones. Good students and hard workers that trust the process. Not 5 stars that are transferring because they don’t get a look as a freshmen. Our receiving core are the same way. Hard working high character guys that have developed pro talent over the years. I believe Copeland was the only 5 star in that group, but I’d have to check. You can definitely win consistently with those guys but the question becomes can you win championships (SEC and Natty) with them. I know one thing, if you watch Monday night football tonight, watch when they announce the starting lineups and listen to where these guys go to school. Some are 5 star SEC guys but a lot of them are 3 and 4 star guys that worked hard and developed in the right system.
The defense without any 5 stars on it looked pretty good on Saturday.
What’s funny is, even with all those 5 star players on their roster, Smart is 16-3 since Mullen took over the Gators and wouldn’t you know it, he’s 16-3 as well. I’d be concerned about Florida getting 5 star players as if I were them. If he can produce the same record as their coach without a single 5 star player, just imagine what he’ll do when he has a few. They know it and clearly that’s why they’re so obsessed with running their mouths while they can. With more games like this past weekend, it won’t be long before he’s pulling in multiple 5 stars each class.
At minimum, Greenard and Henderson play as 5-stars, regardless of their high school evaluations. Jarrad Davis, incidentally, was evaluated as a 3-star.
Player development and coaching are great equalizers.
@Joe Marks………Playing who????? And I’m not sure where your getting your info from. But as of this last year. UGA WAS A 2 LOSS TEAM. AND THE YEAR BEFORE A 2 LOSS TEAM. AND IN THAT STRETCH WE ARE A GAME BETTER THAN YOU AT MINIMUM UNLESS YOU COUNT THE EARLY MIAMI GAME.
But still we have played in SEC TITLE GAMES, and BIGGER BETTER BOWLS!!! Oh and our coach TOOK US TO A SEC TITLE AND NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP GAME IN YEAR NUMBER 2!!!!!! WHAT HAS YOURS DONE???
Lose 2 straight cocktail parties!!! And we played Baylor while you played UVA!!!!
King Negan
This is and will always be my only knock on Mullen as our coach. We definitely need to let go 2-3 of our coaches after this year to bring in 2-3 elite recruiters to this staff. If we can do that we can really start to be a consistently good team every weak and every year under Mullen.
Winning cures everything.
I hope so
The guy has been on the job 1-1/2 seasons. And he didn’t have preexisting relationships with a bunch of elite recruits when he was hired because MSU has no chance of getting those guys.
Smart, for example, basically stole a bunch of recruiting relationships from Alabama, then was able to get a positive feedback loop going. So that’s a poor comparison. Clemson is a better model for us. Leading up to their 2016 NC, Clemson had the consensus (247) number 13 and number 9 ranked rosters nationally, with four 5-stars. We’ll get there.
Our more immediate big picture issue is for Savage and Hevesy to develop the 4-star true freshmen linemen we already have on campus, so the OL makes a marked improvement in talent next year. Right now we’re starting four 3-stars.
The Gators will be fine.
positive feedback loops …
I bet that sounds good at the middle school lunch table, very impressive
Winning is a positive feedback loop, idiot.
My bad, I thought that was the name of the dance mullet did for UF players.
Nash,
You are so right, there is no connection whatsoever between Kiry Smart and UF recruiting
mullet wouldn’t want to sign any of these guys
Marcus Rosemy 4-star
Jalen Carter 4-star
Carson Beck 4-star
Warren Brinson 4-star
Joshua Braun 4-star
And your point is?
Carson Beck look pedestrian compared with Anthony Richardson this year. Look at the high school stats.
And as for dancing, as long as Mullen’s winning percentage against Top-10 teams keeps being so much higher than Smart’s, he can dance whatever way he wants (Mullen at Florida = 75%, Smart = 60%)
You are exactly on point Nash.
Relationships are key in recruiting and the Mullen staff was predominantly from MSU with him and how many 5* player want to build a relationship with an MSU coach (no offense to MSU, but there is no back history of being an elite football program).
Smart, coming from Bama, had the relationships with those players so he could use that momentum to carry on to UGA. Richt was also a phenomenal recruiter so, there were also relationships based on the school.
Muschamp was a good, not great recruiter, and Mac was a train wreck. So we did not have the relationship queue stocked with highly rated players.
Muschamp will start to reel in top recruits,it just takes time.
Muschamp is a great recruiter… of defensive players. The current offensive line situation is traceable to Muschamp.
Clemson showed that a great (but not elite) roster can win a national championship with great coaching and a stable program. I agree that the Clemson model does seem a mote natural fit for Florida. Mullen has had some coaches on his staff for a very long time and is good at player development. Like Clemson, also, big victories will cause a rise in recruiting; they’ve recruited in a manner after their NCs that they weren’t before.
*more natural fit
First off – that was good win for the lizards this past Saturday.
Secondly, please keep blaming your recruiting woes on “Kirby stealing recruiting contacts” and all the other non-sensicle babble.
There is no connection whatsoever between Kirby Smart and our recruiting. I was simply pointing out that the Georgia situation is different, and why.
Smart did help us bring Torrian Gray back to Gainesville, by “stealing” McElwain hire Charlton Warren, for which we are very grateful.
Take it easy on DumbsOfWar, he is a little dense and lacks reading comprehension
crackhead
There is a connection between Kirby Smart and the State of Florida
Let’s call it the Blue-Chip Turnpike, north bound only.
“crackhead” good one, haven’t heard that one since all the talk before the Auburn game. That and from the ransom note guy, which seems to be someone mocking the main Georgia Morons like yourself
TDOW the only one on crack here appears to be you. You have yet to be remotely right in any of your predictions.
crackheadshelper
I am 1-1 on my predictions for 2019
What is your pick for UGA v uf?
1-1? You had us losing to UM and UK. Only team u had us beating was UT and you said that game would be close. I’ll make the UF v UGA prediction the week of that game
Crackhead Ben
For the umpth-tenth time I picked UF over UK by 3.
Go back and check my comments numbnutts.
Ok so then when is UF supposed to be the 4th worst team in the state of florida?
Nash,
You are so right, there is no connection whatsoever between Kiry Smart and UF recruiting
mullet wouldn’t want to sign any of these guys
Marcus Rosemy 4-star
Jalen Carter 4-star
Carson Beck 4-star
Warren Brinson 4-star
Joshua Braun 4-star
The key thing is to continue to get classes primarily comprised of blue chip recruits, which most 4 stars are considered. Mullen is already doing that. It’s true that UF doesn’t have the 5 star guys AL has and they need to get a few…especially in the key positions. However, Clemson has shown that you don’t 18 five stars on your roster to win titles…but you probably need a few and especially at QB. When UF was winning titles, they had less than 10.
I have a suspicion that certain geographic areas experience “star inflation” because they get covered more by talent evaluators. Also, star ratings are heavily skewed to physical measurables and less to talent, which is harder to evaluate because of factors like small sample size and quality of competition.
You may have been right 12-15 years ago, but the plethora of summer camps and competitions that have accelerated in recent years have given these evaluators a much better look at the 4- and 5-star kids real abilities against other elites. The 3-stars that don’t get an invite to these still have wiggle room, but the blue-chip projections get better with each year.
I agree with you. The “success rate” on 5-stars –measured as getting drafted– has increased over the past 10-15 years. I think it has gone from about 50% to about 70%.
Clemson for sure has shown you can win titles with a few 5 stars at key positions and in contrast Georgia has shown that having boatloads of 5 star players is not enough to win a tittle. You need elite coaching and player development along with a few selected 5 star players
Exactly. Piling up alleged 5-stars by itself doesn’t translate to NCs.
You look at a guy like Gervon Dexter whose composite rating is .0070 away from being a 5 star player. Does that mean he’s not as good as those players with 5 stars next to his name? No, it just means those other players have done more camps and have been seen more. There’s not a huge difference between a high 4 star and low 5 star. The only fans that seem to care so much about 5 stars being next to a players name are Dawg fans. They think if they have more than everyone else, then that guarantees a national title. Obviously that’s not the case.
Joe, take it easy. They need something to hang their hopes on.
One common denominator on Natty Champ teams (Or final four teams). A 5 star DUDE at QB or a 5 star DUDE at Running Back. Not sure but prob a 5 star DUDE on the D-Line. You do not have to have all of them but you do have to have them at the right positions imo. Especially QB unless your BAMA or UGA and you have 3 of them in the backfield.
I’m glad Georgia never had to rebuild. Richt left us good players and good culture. Our program has been solid overall with normal ups and downs. Thankful we haven’t had to go thru all the crap other programs have and they know who they are. Sign of great school, great tradition, great program. I won’t apologize for having 5 coaches since 1964. Stability, fan support, and history of winning is part of culture. So what about it being since 1980. At least I know our team will compete with best year end year out. Hate it for other wannabe blue bloods but we have earned it.
You’re right. Georgia is a great school, great tradition, great program. Nothing to apologize for. But the “never had to rebuild” statement isn’t really accurate. And every program has its boosters in the shadows. Nothing to suggest that’s going on today at UGA, but to suggest that it never has is naive.
USMCDawg you are so right, the numbers don’t lie. UGA owns the SECE.
UGA vs Mizzou 7-1 (Mizzou owns UF with a 5-3 series record)
UGA vs SCar 51-18-2
UGA vs Vandy 58-20-2
UGA vs UK 58-12
UGA vs UF 52-43-2
UGA vs UT 24-23-2
Take away 15 years (Spurrier and Meyer) and UF is truly a swamp of a program, on par with UK, Vandy, SCar etc. All of UF’s success is 2 coaches over 15-16 years.
Take away 15 years? Wow and you say UF fans are delusional. Take away KS and UGA is still an above average sec team
Ok, how many SEC Championships and NC had UF won with coach’s other than Spurrier and Meyer?
How many NC has UGA won period?
How many NC and SEC titles have UGA won without Vince Dooley and Wally Butts. The answer is 0 NC and only 5 sec titles.
TDOW! I hope at some point you understand that you get hammered everyday here due to your stupidity. Although I’ve had moments of laughter watching you embarrass yourself it’s time you need to sit down and be quiet. It’s turned into humiliation now. I feel sorry for you
LOL @ DumbsOfWar getting schooled yet again.
I predict a “crackhead” coming
Yea you guys never had to rebuild…those Ray Goff early 90’s were really strong! Early 60’s with Johnny Griffith were stellar! And in the 50’s UGA with Butt’s averaged a losing record. Awesome tradition and winning culture. A real Blue Blood in the trailer park. Combine that with Richt who could never close the deal, man you guys are right up their with Bama (in your mind).
2 year dynasty
Finebaum is a hack and continues to lose credibility as evidenced by his criticisms of Dabo starting last spring. It appears he is growing more cynical and BAMA biased each week! As far as how good “Not So “Smart is and how much better off they are without Richt I’m not convinced as he is yet to capture the prize that Richt couldn’t. As far as stealing 5 stars from Bama I don’t know as each has garnered a plethora of such talent recently. I am told there is one thing Smart stole from Bama when he left which is why you don’t hear many positive comments from Tide fans about “Not So” Smart. Each team has what they call a recruiting board ( now a computer printout but used to be an actual board) which contains a candid evaluation of each recruits strengths and weaknesses both on and off the field. “Not So” before leaving Tuscaloosa made copies of these evaluations and generously shared the negative comments with recruits who both schools were targeting making sure they were aware of the source of the negative feedback. You couple that type of methodology with his poor game day decisions ( fake FG against LSU and fake punt against Bama) and his inability to shoulder the blame for his poor decisions ( threw Fields under the bus for the fake punt failure against Bama) and a disturbing picture starts emerging notwithstanding his recruiting successes. Georgia ran Richt off after 1/2 the time it gave Dooley to accomplish in 25 years what Spurrier did in 13 years. (I’m talking NC and SEC Championships which in truth were won because Erk Russell was the best coach on the UGA sidelines for much of Dooley’s tenure). UsmcDawg comments about being a blue blood program is evidence of the blinders he wears in evaluating his program. Let’s face the facts there is one Blue Blood in the SEC that being Bama. There are several other very good programs which include Georgia, LSU, Auburn any Florida. Florida being the only program that has for any lengthy period been able to consistently challenge and be equal with Bama (1990-2016 3 NC’s,8 SEC, 14 Division). It’s yet to be seen if Florida will return to that form under Mullen but thus far they are demonstrating the type of team effort that can overcome talent long enough for the talent to get on board. As far as our little bob tailed K-9 friends to the north we’re looking forward to our Halloween gathering down by the river. Trick or treat?
A lot of your facts and assertions about UGA are very wrong as well as the conclusions your draw from them.
Such as?
Kirby has won in a way Richt hadn’t (either by this point in his tenure or during the entire time he was HC) even despite not winning a national championship yet. Richt had also very clearly stagnated and showed his programs could not beat top-5 caliber programs even occasionally (his best victory was over no. 5 LSU and he had an abysmal record vs top-10 opponents during his 15 years).
Kirby has also flipped several 5 and 4 star recruits from Bama. This is not conjecture. Also, though, it’s not as big of a deal as some people make it out to be.
The fake punt was Fields’ fault. Bama initially came out in a punt coverage formation that presented a favorable look to attempt a fake. This was a coverage look Bama had consistently given. Fields did not snap the ball quick enough, delaying for no clear reason, which gave Bama’s players time to diagnose UGA’s intent and change coverage at the last moment. After Fields snapped the ball, his primary option was covered so he attempted to run it and did not see another receiver who was open. It was technically a good call that was very poorly executed.
Too much is made of the few bad/questionable on field calls. Smart clearly knows how to run a program, develop players, develop a game plan, and prepare his players for a game. Is he without flaw? Obviously not. But to conclude he’s a “bad coach” on account of a few poor on-field calls is not accurate.
The story about Smart egregiously stealing the recruiting list/info is a story proferred by Bama fans and is greatly embellished.
You are right that Bama is SEC’s only Blue Blood. UGA is not a blue blood, though we are hoping Smart can eventually change that.
Boxster let’s look at the facts again. Richt went 13-1 his second year Kirby went 13-2 (had Richt been in the playoff era his team would have been in the playoffs), their records over the first three years are remarkably similar ( two divisions and one conference was my point).You claim Richt had grown stale and that is why he was replaced yet once again when you compare his record with Dooley’s at the point when Richt was let go they are remarkably similar.
As for the game day calls you only address the fake punt so I just went back and looked at it again. You are 4th and 11 at midfield with slightly over 3 minutes remaining. Not good odds of making 11 to start with. You are wrong when you say Bama had their punt return team in as the replay and announcers say Alabama has left their defense on the field and they lined up in a 5-3 formation with a deep safety. having watched the replay 5 times their is no Georgia receiver open that I can tell.
You say it is Fields fault the play failed. Even if I were to agree, which I obviously don’t, Kirby should have been prepared to call a time out should Bama set up in a regular defense and after the game taken responsibility for the call and not lay the blame on a freshman who he put in the position to fail.
As far as what he did with the Alabama recruiting information being embellished that’s like saying your a little bit pregnant. Either he used proprietary information wrongly or he didn’t.
Now I’m not saying Kirby is not a good coach because he is an excellent coach. I’m only questioning some of his decisions ( just like I questioned Mullen’s fake punt this past weekend) and a couple of instances where he has not comported himself as the great ones do which distinguishes them from the rest.
The jury is still out on Kirby just as it is on Mullen. I look at how long it took Dabo to get Clemson where they are today. My original comments were a failed attempt to try and get that knucklehead UsmcDawg to realize that while his team is good it hasn’t reached an elite status yet. I think I cited sufficient factual evidence for that purpose.
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When have we ever had to rebuild? I said we had ups and downs. Name one period of time? We have let coaches go because they haven’t reached level we desire. Each time has been improvement over previous except for Goff after Dooley. That was way back in early 1990s. May not be this year or next year but you still have to deal with us year in year out. One thing I can depend on is that our team will still fight like the old junkyard dawgs. I don’t want to mention teams by name because they already know. Call me a troll if you want to but you have to admit playing us is never a gimme.
Yea you guys never had to rebuild…those Ray Goff early 90’s were really strong! Early 60’s with Johnny Griffith were stellar! And in the 50’s UGA with Butt’s averaged a losing record. Awesome tradition and winning culture. A real Blue Blood in the trailer park. Combine that with Richt who could never close the deal, man you guys are right up their with Bama (in your mind).
Take away the tourist areas of Florida and the State is a trailer park. And then there is Gainesville, 3 exits along I-75 in the middle of cracker country.
You’ve obviously not been to Florida outside of Disney World. Florida has twice the population of Georgia and its GDP is 70% larger. Georgia does lead the world in sugar water licensing.
Gainesville is not the typical SEC college town. It’s a high technology research and medical center.
Take away all the nice parts of UGA and its a sh*t hole too. Man your logic is really stupid
My god you’re an idiot.
LOL when you thought he couldn’t say anything dumber he keeps surprising you
Oh yeah Spurrier would certainly agree that playing UGA was never a gimme…..”.wait Danny just tossed another TD between the hedges….Oh my!”
I will also add this straight from the old HBC himself. Georgia has more rivalries than any school. Aub, Fla, Ga tech, Tenn, now SC and Bama. We play rivalry games each week in Sec schedule.. We may lose but more often we win. For that I am proud. I don’t have to troll schools like Fla, Sc, Tn because our goals are much higher. We get the 5 stars and 4 stars because we are good every year and kids know that. What would you do if parent or 4 star? Support a program that will won’t let child out room for concerns or tell them to wait while we figure it out?
Your so dumb it hurts me to point out some of your moronic statements like taking candy from a baby. Let’s start with the one above….”I don’t have to troll schools because our goals are so much higher…….we get the 4and 5 stars because we are good every year and kids know that…..” hell of a sales pitch to recruit with….Come here where we haven’t won a NC in 39 years and counting, come here where the schools in the states bordering us have won 22 NC’s during those 39 years ,come here to prepare you to get drafted by the NFL but ignore the fact that over the past ten years Alabama,LSU and Florida have had more players drafted than us, let’s not even start with the academic discrepancy. Face it probably the main reason kids nowadays choose a school is which one is going to get me in the best position to get drafted, where can I maximize my playing time, where do I have the best chance to win a Championship and which school is trending up or down. UGA has a tremendous advantage in that it is located in a state loaded with high school talent and only has Tech to compete with for that talent. Florida has 3 in state schools who have won 9 NC’s (over 25%) during those 39 years competing for that talent pool not to mention all the out state schools trying to mine that talent. However when one objectively looks at what UGA has done with all that talent over the past 40 years either by players going to the NFL or winning a Championship it is obvious they don’t develop that talent as well as other schools. Yes, you have a wonderful tradition as a bridesmaid but as a Championship program the facts say otherwise!
“Your so dumb it hurts…” It never fails. Every time I see someone calling someone else dumb on the internet they lead off by misspelling you’re.
Thanks for catching the typo and if that makes me dumb then I’m guilty! Might have been that education I got at Darlington!
Mr 2 shuts…you come back with this? Goff and Griffith.? Man you are dead and need be that way or else your rotting n corpse will be smelled in hell deadbeat.
I’m just listing facts man. You chose the topic. You said “Never had to rebuild,” and even referenced the 60’s and the coaches you’ve gone through since then. I just think some of the UGA fans come off as trolls because you have a false sense of your team and what you “think,” your legacy is in the SEC. Plus your in the wrong forum if you want everyone to agree with you.
UsmcDawg whats with you and death threats? You recently wished me to die a slow death and just now made another veiled threat to another poster. I can understand your frustration which often results in your profanity laced responses but these cross the line possibly even being criminal in nature. Chill out it’s all supposed to be in fun. If you can’t see that go get some counseling!
Your SDS account should be closed and your email address should be blocked from registration.
Another stupid and unnecessary post, you exemplify a Georgia Moron
Dude, stop. You’ve posted craziness before, but this is too far. Sometimes you posted very cogent ideas and well thought out contributions, but then you posted stuff like this. Arguing and trash talk are expected on a CFB website, but not this. That’s childish nonsense for other corners of the internet. Take your idiocy elsewhere and remove that G next to your name. You’re an embarrassment.
Thanks boxster355 hopefully most realize he isn’t indicative of the typical UGA fan which for the most part are some of the best!
There were a bunch of recruits at the game Sat. Many of them 4 & 5 stars. You couldn’t have asked for a better game or atmosphere for these blue chips to be a part of. Emmitt Smith spoke to the team and gave a fiery talk to amp everyone up. Things will change, they will come.
Coming on the heels of the HBO episode, there’s a lot of momentum.
Winning solved many issues for the recovery of Muschimp and Macnut.
@ConflictPup:
Georgia leads the Florida-Georgia series 51-43-2. But their series lead is heavily skewed by games played before the 1950s, when the state of Florida had a much smaller population than the state of Georgia. Georgia led the series 22-5 from 1915-1950, a winning percentage of 81.5%. But this era is so long ago that it includes an era when Princeton and Minnesota were winning national championships.
(Georgia does claim one extra victory, against Florida Agricultural College in 1904, before the University of Florida was chartered. I’m not sure why.)
During the 1950s, The state of Florida surpassed the state of Georgia in total population. Since 1951, the Gators’ winning percentage –well before the Spurrier and Meyer runs– in the series is 56.7%. The Gators lead the series since 1951 38-29.
In the 39 years since Georgia won their last national championship (1981-2018), the Gators’ winning percentage in the series is 60.5%. Their series lead since 1981 is 23-15.
Since Spurrier became head coach at Florida in 1990, the Gators’ winning percentage in the series is 72.4%. Their series lead since 1990 is 21-8. And of course, they’ve won three national championships.
Thanks that’s what is called a factual presentation! Nuff said. Do we hear a response?
I said since 1964. How many coaches and rebuilds have you had? Your a flash in pan program not consistent. Every few years you..fira coach that embarrasses you or leaves program a wreck. Doesn’t happen here. Spurrier hated us cause we took his SEC championship in 1966 when we sacked him upteen times. So he got his revenge. Our coaches are class people. He held grudge and turned out to be quitter. Urban…..well you know how that ended. Skipped out with your worshipping in tact. None of our coaches have embarrassed our fan base like yours. So now your talking give him time and recruiting and maybe you close gap. Why is there a gap if your program is so great? Why don’t you have 5 stars? Why did you have losing season 2 years ago?
If three national championships are a flash in the pan, I’ll take it. How many does Georgia have, again?
Give Mullen time? He doesn’t need it. He was 10-3 in his first season and he’s 6-0 so far this season.
You are correct about Georgia. It is a very consistent program. It consistently comes up short.
@nashgator……swallow your latte and man a post. Coward.
You don’t know what you don’t know, child.
@salty……Spurrier was original obsession. Lifetime spent getting even. He woke up everyday thinking about Georgia just like you do.
Guess it worked out for him.
“Dan Mullen has Florida on brink of greatness”
I’ve been to the Grand Canyon four times. The brink is an awesome place to be…if you don’t get blown off.
Yeah, I thought that was an awkward construction also. You’ve caught a few of these that I’ve seen– are you part of that killer journalism program at Missouri? In any case, good eye.
Depends on what your values are. If winning means protecting murderers then go for it. You have before..
You are so hateful, resentful and angry that it’s really sad how irrational you get when you have no response to basic facts. You physically threatened another commenter today. If SDS takes its potential liability seriously, you should be banned.
This is just football.
For what it’s worth, Urban Meyer did look the other way more than he should have at Florida. But to claim he’s somehow responsible for a guy’s actions three years after the guy left the program is really, really reaching. Was Georgia responsible for Jonathan Taylor’s alleged domestic violence? Or Jeremiah Holloman’s alleged sexual assault? Or Terreal Bierria being charged with murder? Of course not.
No program is immune to this stuff.
You need to take a serious chill pill.
I think Mullen will get the 5 stars, but will take time.
Just like at Mississippi State, Mullen went from 2 and 3 stars to 3 and 4 stars and normally one 5 star. For Miss St that is a big improvement.
I am not sure if he will get to the number of 5 stars Georgia and Alabama get.