Hayes: What would the old Nick Saban say about this Nick Saban?
The whole thing is weird. Uncomfortably weird.
The last thing we need in our college football world is Nick Saban whining about who he has to play.
Or how players are recruited and signed.
Or how his defense deserves rules favoring them, too.
Or how, for the love of all things holy and true, it’s not fair.
Is it fair that Alabama recruits better than anyone in college football — and still used the transfer portal in 2022 to add 5 starters?
Is it fair that Alabama has played Georgia twice in the regular season since the SEC expanded in 2012, but has played Kentucky, Missouri and Vanderbilt a combined 8 times?
Is it fair that the 1 program that has gotten every benefit of the doubt over the years from the BCS “formula” and the Playoff “committee” — contributing to multiple national titles — can complain about a difficult road to the Playoff?
Seriously, people. Who took Nick Saban from us, and what did they do with him?
In a wide-ranging interview with Ross Dellenger of Sports Illustrated, Saban sounded like a coach who was just dropped into the SEC meatgrinder at a midlevel program.
Instead of the guy with the best job in America.
He doesn’t like that Alabama, the best program in college football since 2009, will reportedly get Auburn, LSU and Tennessee as its 3 permanent games in what will likely be the SEC’s new 9-game, 3-6 scheduling format.
“Look historically over a 25-year history, and the 3 best teams in the East are Georgia, Tennessee and Florida,” Saban told Dellenger. “Alabama, LSU and Auburn are the 3 best teams in the West. So we’re playing them all.”
I don’t know how to break this to Nick, but Alabama also isn’t playing Georgia and Florida every year. And if Alabama is playing LSU, Auburn and Tennessee annually — as long as those in the SEC office aren’t intimidated by Saban’s public grandstanding — it’s because those are 3 rivalry games are part of the fabric of the conference and its television strength.
I don’t want to go out on a limb here, but I’m guessing Florida would be more than happy to trade places. Alabama takes Georgia, Oklahoma and South Carolina, and the Gators will take Saban’s Murderer’s Row.
But wait, it doesn’t end there.
Saban says NIL collectives are creating a pay for play environment, and that, “Guys are going to school where they can make the most money.”
And this is different how? Long before NIL was a thing, blue-chip high school players were signing with colleges, in part, because of extra benefits schools could provide.
The schools whose boosters had the deepest pockets were those with the greatest advantage. If you don’t think boosters associated with your team/university didn’t provide extra benefits long before NIL (with or without the knowledge of the head coach), I can’t help you.
Saban knows NIL has leveled the playing field, allowing programs that previously couldn’t recruit in the same zip code as Alabama to gain big wins — no matter their championship pedigree.
Chop Robinson (Maryland), Travis Hunter (Jackson State), Travis Shaw (UNC), Luther Burden (Missouri), Kiyaunta Goodwin (Kentucky), Cormani McClain (Colorado), Suntarine Perkins (Ole Miss).
All 5-star players. All players Alabama recruited — and would’ve had a much greater chance of landing were NIL not in play.
And we can’t have that. Because if Alabama isn’t as talented as it has been in the past, that means all those excuses used for all of those championship breaks maybe don’t hold as much weight.
In 2011, Alabama scored 6 points and lost at home to LSU, yet still made it into the BCS National Championship Game in a rematch against LSU — despite Oklahoma State’s stellar season. The Cowboys’ only loss was in double OT at Iowa State, while playing a day after Oklahoma State women’s basketball coach Kurt Budke and 3 others were killed in a plane crash. Alabama then won the national title.
In 2012, Alabama lost to No. 15 Texas A&M at home, and reached the BCS National Championship Game to play unbeaten Notre Dame because unbeaten Ohio State was serving a bowl ban it should’ve served the previous season with interim coach Luke Fickell. To say nothing of Oregon’s equally impressive 1-loss season. Alabama then won the national title.
In 2017, 1-loss Alabama didn’t win its own division (much less the SEC) and still made the Playoff. Then won the national title.
The narrative coming from Tuscaloosa all 3 of those seasons was that Alabama was the most talented team, plays in the toughest conference, and if Vegas had to make a betting line … well, we all know who’d be the favorite.
Now Saban is complaining about a potential change in the time clock rules, and says if you want to cut time, allow the defense to sub after the offense makes a first down.
“When a team can snap the ball within 7 seconds off the (play) clock, is that really good for player safety?” Saban asked.
Welcome, everyone, to deja vu — or the last time Saban was complaining in 2013 how offense had taken control of college football, and how the new hurry up/no huddle tempo offenses were “bad” for the game and problematic for “player safety.”
A year later, Saban hired Lane Kiffin as his offensive coordinator, and — ta-da! — do as I say, not as I do.
What happened to the Nick Saban of 2007, who compared a loss to Louisiana-Monroe to Pearl Harbor? Or the Nick Saban who said he’ll never get over the Kick-6 loss to Auburn?
I want that guy back on the wall. I need that guy back on the wall.
Now he’s concerned about a 1-off season from a program that hasn’t been relevant in the SEC in nearly 2 decades. And that program’s offense, whose coach out-coached his defensive staff in every way imaginable.
What happened to the Nick Saban of 2005, then the 1st-year coach of the NFL’s Dolphins, who made rookie defensive lineman Manuel Wright cry?
“Young players need to develop the kind of mental toughness and attitude that they need to be professionals,” Saban said on that glorious day, 18 years ago in Davie, Fla.
Sounds about right.
Instead of whining about what’s not fair.
This was the most confusing article that I’ve read on here in a while. Full of contractions and backtracking but its Hayes weekly “Alabama dead” article so he filled his quota at least.
“contractions ”
Let us speak in contractions.
Stupid autocorrect LOL
He wasn’t wrong on any point. Can you imagine any other coach having this mentality over the years? When he’s winning, no complaints. When he losing to teams and to teams with 1st and 2nd year HC’s by way of offense, oh, lets find a way to shut that down and how unfair it is. This is embarrassing for the Bama and SEC fanbase. Is Ryan Day having meltdowns like this?
Says the fan that likely has Kentucky and Vandy as 2 of his team’s 3 permanent teams. I guess you would be just fine with TN having Bama, GA and LSU as the Vols 3 permanent teams? Yeah right.
“The last thing we need in our college football world is Nick Saban whining about who he has to play.“
What about his words was whining? He was stating a fact and a warning.
The fact and warning was the implication that Saban is losing his built-in handicap
It is whining and it’s quite ridiculous. It is cyclical, it’s just bama has been the aberration. I hate that the horns are joining, but it will be refreshing not playing bama every year.
Saban has whined for years. He used to whine about the HUNH offense and wanted it banned. The guy is a known crybaby from time to time.
He’s mad because he can’t stop good offenses. That’s all any of this is. If he were a goat of hands on coach ability, this shouldn’t be a problem. But he see’ his coordinator hirings slipping as far as skill which everything at Bama is dependent on and he’s not a hands on enough coach to do anything about it. Freeze, Heuple and Kelly are hands on coaches that can correct personally any issues with their offenses. Saban is no such coach. Years of dependency on your coordinators can make you rusty, unable to adopt new styles of schemes on offense and D. We are seeing the temper tantrum of a senior citizen grasping for the glory days when he had more advantages in recruiting than any other coach. Than NIL happened and we said last year before last season, expect other teams to rise and it may not go how you think it will.
By your logic, Heuple can’t beat a good defense
Dawgs2021 Bama’s D was better than UGA’s at the time TN beat Bama. Also, LSU’s D was pretty good and TN limited them to 12 points. Stop it..lol You couldn’t keep Kent State from scoring 22 in Athens. You missed my entire logic and still can’t dispute it, as usual.
Bama’s defense was so good that they pushed out DC Golding at season end.
LOL Whining disguised as warning, under the guise of safety. Is this man stupid? Yes Nick, a WR catching the ball ten yards past anyone is more dangerous than running over them with a 90’s run game. LOL. Running the ball has been and always will be more injury-prone than throwing the ball.
And yet…27-13
Your point moron? lol. What does the UGA game have to do with that statement? Do you know why JC wasn’t born in Athens? Because you can’t find 3 Wiseman and a virgin..LOL.
Auburn, almost certainly drawing the two strongest SEC programs this century: cry me a river. If anyone deserves Vandy in their 3, it’s the Tiggers.
God I hope they don’t get Vandy. Give me Florida, Tennessee, or LSU. Complaining about 1 out of 9 games being too tough is silly. Everyone is going to have a tough schedule.
TN vs AU with Heupel vs Freeze. Man there will be over 100 points scored..lol every two years. We’d draw the largest viewing audiences on TV.
South Carolina got 63. Auburn might score 100 by themselves!
Dawgs2021 Yeah if SC’s offense was that real, they’d have a better record, scored at least 63 in some other game. Would have beaten Clemson by more than a point or two. This season, not only TN will have a better offense than UGA but probably Auburn, LSU and TN..
That was more an indictment of Tennessee’s pathetic defense than an endorsement of South Carolina’s offense. You have to play defense. What if it is raining or the other team’s stadium is loud or you only score 13 lol.
Why would AU want a soft schedule like UGA?
We could drop Auburn and toughen it up a bit
If you had TN’s schedule last season, you’d have lost at least two regular season games. And if you played OSU again, you would have lost. They missed a chip shot, that’s the only reason you won. Your a good team but more luck with your cake schedules. In 15 years you’ve only went 1-1 for your best season against Bama and lost all the rest..lol Now every two years we get to see how you find a way to lose to Bama, TN and either LSU, A&M or AU. Will be very telling how you fair every year and especially every 2nd year with having to actually play a harder schedule. Future comment about UGA: Man, remember how UGA used to win titles playing SOS’s ranked in the 70’s? Yeah, that all changed when we went to a 3-6-6..lol
Do tell. What 2 games would they have lost on Tennessee’s schedule? Pitt? Akron? The schedules were more alike than different. And they you know…BEAT TENNESSEE.
Funny how every team on your little list Georgia beat last time out. Congrats on ending your 15 year streak to Bama. Wouldn’t know what its like to lose 15 straight to anyone lol.
Bama did win division in 2017 – they tied Auburn for it. Protocol to reach SEC championship game has head to head as first tie breaker, which they lost to Auburn. SEC still recognizes both as division winners. A more accurate way to make point is to say Bama didn’t even make championship game.
“Bama did win division in 2017 – they tied Auburn for it. ”
Yet AU beat Al and played in the SEC championship game.
AU was good that year but also wasn’t that the year UCF beat AU? I think Bama tried to backdoor in. I can’t recall if Bama had to play UGA in the regular season but they had injuries that year and if they had played that SECCG, I couldn’t see them beating UGA twice in the same season. The odds of any team beating a top 10 SEC team twice in the same season is virtually non-existent. Sometimes it’s better to lose a game or so you don’t have to play another top ten SEC team again.
Worked wonders for your Vols, didn’t it?
Where does the SEC recognize both as winners? There was one champion. That’s how competition works.
“Where does the SEC recognize both as winners? ”
Imagination Land.
Conference Championship. [SEC Bylaw 30.22.1.3]
1. The Conference champion will be determined by a game between the two division champions. The team in
each division with the highest percentage of wins during all regular-season Conference competition will be
declared division champion. If two or more teams are tied with the highest percentage of wins, they will be
declared division co-champions.
You can still win the SECCG and not be the conference overall champ. If LSU had beaten UGA in the SECCG. UGA would still hold SEC number one for the season but be not the Sec championship winner. But we all just recognize the overall SEC champ as the winner of the SECCG. YOu can be the best SEC team and recognized as such but not win the SECCG. It’s weird how it’s viewed. “Your the SEC champ by way of upset but not by record”. Just that almost always the best SEC with the best SEC record wins this game, the SECCG.
It’s only weird the way you view it.
They have a trophy and it goes to the team that wins the game. Yes, had LSU won, they’d be the SEC champions. This isn’t difficult.
Dawgs2021 It’s not that clear cut. If LSU had won, they most likely still miss the playoffs due to their record. UGA would than have the one loss and no way the committee could float that get them and UGA in. Two SEC teams getting in is based on record moreso than just winning a conference championship game. And no one would say that LSU was the best team moron in the SEC even if they beat UGA. It’s called an upset for a reason. The SEC champ has the best record. Period and that is how it’s viewed. If LSU had beaten UGA, would morons like you than say, “well, LSU since they beat us is just the best team in the SEC”. Liar and you know it.. You’d all be saying it was an upset and you’d be screaming, “look at our record, we only have the one loss, where LSU has way more, we still are the best team”..
The playoffs have zero bearing in determining the SEC champion. This isn’t hard. They play a game and the winner is the champion. Maybe since it has been a while since your team got there you aren’t familiar with it
And yet for a decade now coach Saban is the only one that has insisted the SEC play 9 conference games. Not one AD or head coach had the internal fortitude to man up other than coach Saban. Isn’t that right Matt Hayes? Not one. They are still hiding under their couch.
What the coach wants is a level playing field. You can look at any of the projected 3 permanent rivals among the top teams and each one has historically 2 top teams and one average. Except for BAMA. They get 3 historically top teams. Isn’t that right Matt Hayes?
Sure, he wants to play more games a 9 conference schedule because he knew sooner or later the playoffs would expand and the likelihood that he draws an elite SEC team for that 9th game is small. Like a 80% chance he draws a team he can beat handily. But if many other teams improve with NIL, than all he has left is to try and lobby for rule changes, and how unfair offenses are of the teams that beat him. This coach wants anything but a level playing field. He wants to win games running the ball, because he can’t match TN’s offense or maybe LSU’s and Au’s going forward. This old dog is being forced to learn a new trick, or offense and well, he does not want to because this requires an elite and different OC and those are now gone. Reese is an attempt to head this off. Reese maybe good but it will be years before he’s anywhere close to being a proven elite offensive mind.
How come every other coach in the SEC didn’t know about expansion like Saban did and was against going to 9 games. He must have had inside information.
Wow, dude, they only been talking about a playoff expansion for more than 4 teams for 5 years now? Keep up. This wasn’t some big secret. WTH do you think the coaches have been discussing at Media days for the last 4 or 5 years? Saban would know before any of them because, guess where the SEC is headquarted. Think really hard here for a moment.. lol. Tuscaloosa. Of course he knew before anyone else. There are only a few really good SEC teams and if we base it off last year, that is Bama, UGA and TN. Small gap, than LSU, even larger gap, everyone else. So, that 9th SEC game there is like an 75 or 80% chance he gets a lesser SEC east team for that 9th game or team he plays the least of. Bama already plays TN, LSU and AU every year. So outside of UGA every two years, he’s going to get an extra lower SEC team every year that he wasn’t getting before.
Excuse GWhite. He is very excited about expansion since the Vols were never able to crack that top 4 bit and get there.
Saban wanted a 9 game conference schedule years ago long before talk of expansion to 16 teams started. Every other SEC coach was against it. So don’t preach to me that Saban wants an easy schedule. Picking the 3 permanent teams going forward has zero to do with the current division setup. Zero! Enjoy that guaranteed win over Vandy every as you chastise Saban for wanting nearby Miss State whom Bama has played more than any team and only 50 miles away. Vandy? really?
“Look historically over a 25-year history, and the 3 best teams in the East are Georgia, Tennessee and Florida,” Saban told Dellenger. “Alabama, LSU and Auburn are the 3 best teams in the West. So we’re playing them all.”
He’s not wrong, but I’d add that AU has to play UGA, LSU, Bama every year and AU fans don’t complain about it. I’d much rather play a hard schedule than a soft one.
The Tigers will take you up on that. Lobby for a schedule change that will let the Aubies play Bama before we do. For years, LSU has played Bama in what is always the SEC’s most physical knock-down, drag-out game and always delivers a softened up, limping Bama team to play the Aubies. Time to return the favor. Barring injuries, this could be the year we send Saban into permanent retirement. P. S. I think he’d really enjoy the broadcast booth where he could offer up continual “not fair” commentary to a wider audience.
Wishful thinking on your part, when was the last time LSU beat Bama two years in a row dude ?
I will make it a point to revisit this comment later in the year.
I do like the chutzpah, though!
And don’t forget that Saban makes sure he has an open date before LSU every year. Out of fairness I will say we try to do the same thing before Bama as well.
“Lobby for a schedule change that will let the Aubies play Bama before we do. ‘
Uh….AU has to play UGA before AL every single year. The Iron Bowl should ALWAYS be played at the end of the season.
LSU does not play UGA and Bama every single year.
“drag-out game and always delivers a softened up, limping Bama team to play the Aubies.”
LSU plays AL weeks before AL plays AU.
If you think AU fans aren’t complaining, you’re not on their message boards.
Facts. When UF was good, no one felt sorry for TN having to play UF, UGA and Bama year in and out. Throw in an Ole Miss, AU or LSU every 2nd year as well.
When Florida was good UGA was not. It is weird how that goes, but it is very rare that Florida and Georgia are both good at the same time. It is a strange rivalry in that one team usually completely owns the other for a decade or more and then the pendulum shifts.
Oh, so UGA was a bad team in 21? lol. It’s weird how you glossed over that. When Urban Meyer as at UF was UGA a bad team? No. If you go back further, good is a relative term. Was 8, 9 or 10 wins for UGA meant they were bad before 17? No. You just weren’t as good as more recent. But what greatly helped your success was TN and UF being down and you’ve never been good when they were 9 or 10 plus win programs. We can go back decades with that observation. Back to the 80’s at least. So, 20 might have been rare but they thumped you in Monken’s first year. My point still stands though. UGA would have a lot more believers if they won the east when those teams UF and TN were up. Cause we went for long long periods where there was never the case.TN and Bama have never been both good for the same stretch of time also. Each have gone on long runs where one was dominant and the other wasn’t.
Your success in the 90’s (I mean finally getting over the Florida hump in 1998 lol) was greatly aided by Georgia being down and the 1985 Bears not being in the East.
……..wtf was this article Hayes?
like?
I guess just put Saban in the title and the rest of the content doesn’t matter
Read my mind.
Hayes took his morning constitutional. Then he posted it here.
If only he would have found a way to blame CBN, AR, and Kirby’s player discipline for all this then it would be a perfect Matt Hayes article. :)
Shouldn’t it be, what would the young Nick Saban have to say about this old Nick Saban?
I think the young Nick Saban would say, nothing has changed. Saban has always sought a scheduling advantage. How many home-and-away OOC series has Alabama scheduled since Saban came to Alabama? Very few. Was last year’s Texas game the first one? I’m not sure, but it’s the only one I remember.
If an Oklahoma or Ohio St wanted to schedule Alabama, they had to play that game in the South (most in Atlanta) – which guaranteed Alabama a home field advantage.
Meanwhile, in Athens GA, Kirby Smart has done everything in his power to schedule premier home-and-away OOC series. Georgia has already completed a Home-and-home series with Notre Dame and had scheduled a home-and-home series with Oklahoma, which was canceled ahead of SEC move September 15, 2022.
“Saban has always sought a scheduling advantage. How many home-and-away OOC series has Alabama scheduled since Saban came to Alabama? Very few. Was last year’s Texas game the first one? I’m not sure, but it’s the only one I remember.
Unlike the puppies in the “Least” division. The canines have their advantage built in. Nothing easy about BAMA’s OOC schedule and coming out of the West is an entirely different animal.
Hey Georgia, I saw where you just dropped Oklahoma and picked up UT Martin this season. Wow, good you’re not afraid of a fair fight.
UGA was forced by the SEC to drop the Oklahoma game. And, unfortunately, because of the short notice – short for college football anyway – UGA had to accept any team that could fill the gap in the schedule.
Not getting into the UGA vs Bama schedule comp because I can’t stand that kind of back and forth pointless arguments.
But if you’re going to attack UGA’s schedule, use an example that doesn’t make you look like a petty schmuck.
And yet BAMA is playing Texas. I heard they too were coming to the SEC.
It’s because the second of the Home and Home games would be after Oklahoma had joined the SEC. This is not the case for the Bama-Texas games. Cause, you know, one was last year and the other is this year. Both occurring before Texas joins the SEC.
Like I said, UGA was ordered by the SEC to drop the game and find another opponent. You are more than welcome to Google it.
It’s because Georgia had a chance to get out of a fair fight and Smart took it. That UT Martin team should really bolster that SOS in the “Least” division.
Ah, so you’re a troll. Got it.
Just a dose of reality for all those folks, like Matt Hayes, who are struggling to make sense of SEC teams manipulating schedules. Maybe his next article will be all about Kirby and how UT Martin saved his season.
You should learn the difference between reality and fiction. It’s clear that you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Reality is hard for you, isn’t it?
When it gets down to defending the viles, all 1-15 of them, life can get really hard down there on the bottom.
Bamalicious. Here’s a real dose of reality. I bet it still won’t register with you. But here goes.
“The SEC has announced that the home-and-home series between the Bulldogs and Sooners, scheduled to begin on September 9, 2023, has been cancelled. Seth Emerson of The Athletic was the first to report.”
“The game is being cancelled due to the fact that Oklahoma is joining the SEC. That’s expected to happen on July 1, 2025. Texas will also be making the move. The SEC directed both Georgia and Tennessee to cancel their upcoming series with the Sooners.”
“Unlike the puppies in the “Least” division. ”
Sour grapes much? One of those teams in the “Least division” beat AL.
It only took 16 years to get it done.
“It only took 16 years to get it done.”
And yet…they did it.
I could see how that would be a huge accomplishment in your football universe.
BAMA, on the other hand, won 6 National Championships in that same period.
The last time Bama was on the field with Georgia or Tennessee, they lost. Furthermore both teams easily beat the West champions…who also beat Bama.
“BAMA, on the other hand, won 6 National Championships in that same period.”
And I’m 100% you tell all of your trailer park buddies this every night while sipping on your Natty Ice while staring at the pages of the 1979 Playmate of the year magazine.
So much for defending the viles. Sure doesn’t take long to run out of facts.
Florida and Georgia are the only schools to win a national championship in the East since Saban got to Alabama, in the west Alabama, Auburn & LSU have won championships, LSU has won it twice , Auburn made it to the championship game twice and lost one so yeah the west division is definitely more competitive
Notice how they have Clemson and Ohio State in coming years and Notre Dame and Oregon in the rearview (as well as Clemson). Lot of playoff teams there. Now tell me all about weak azz Texas and Miami
Bamalicious. “Hey Georgia, I saw where you just dropped Oklahoma and picked up UT Martin this season.”
Georgia didn’t drop Oklahoma. The SEC dropped the home-and- home series.
I would say, nice try, but that’s a very lame comeback.
Saban made a great living from not taking his team on the road for OOC games. It is what it is.
Kirby Smart has done everything in his power to be like Saban, his mentor, and he should it’s the wise choice.
RTR
Saban has done everything in his power to be like Bear Bryant.
Saban was mentored by the true GOAT…Bill Belicheck
Bill Belicheck was mentored by the other GOAT Bill Parcels who was mentored about the other GOAT Bill Walsh.
I put Belicheck above both of them.
Good point here about the away series and how few Bama has played of them. That is a indicator that Saban cares about his schedule. The easier the better and Kirby learned this from him with how easy their schedule is and has been. When it all boils down to it for UGA is this. In nearly 20 years of football between UGA and Bama, the best UGA has ever done when they’ve played Bama in the regular season is 1-1 in 21. And has never beaten Bama in a SECCG. Now UGA might have to play them every two years. That should be interesting and we are about to have no more complaints about how easy UGA’s schedules are going to be.
They played Tennessee last season and whipped them pretty good though, as they generally do
Whipped? LOL Right, you won by 14 at home. I’d be embarrassed by the fact also you lost the second half. If TN wasn’t trying to backdoor in, they’d have hung 40 on you.. But you keep believing that if Kent State can put 22 on you in Athens, that your D secondary is good, TN couldn’t double that your dumb sir. We’ve seen bad offenses and new offenses rattle double digit points in a row on the UGA D. You blew a 3rd quarter 21 point lead to UF and LSU scored how many unanswered on your D in the SECCG with a freshman? How about against OSU? Mizzou and ten point win over UK..lol Stop it. When you come Neyland this season, TN will hang 35 plus on UGA. Your ground D has slipped a bit from the season before and your secondary is as vulnerable as it’s ever been. In 6 seasons Kirby has only managed to avoid a post season loss, once. Even with all the depth. Heupel avoided a post season loss his second season and in a year he beat both Bama and LSU whom were top ten teams.
In 6 seasons he has gone 5-1 in the playoffs, played for 3 titles and won 2. I am happy with that and pretty much any school not in Tuscaloosa would trade places. Congratulations on the big Orange Bowl win. Yes Georgias schedule in the East is easier…they don’t have to play Georgia.
Saban doubles down on his whine-a-thon. Quit crying. Everyone has tough schedules. Everyone has to deal with NIL. Lots of other teams in the sec have to deal with our offense. Dont recall you whining when UT sucked for 15 years and you had the luxury of playing those teams every year. Now we have a decent coach and a different offense you werent able to stop so you go on and on about how unsafe our offense is. How many players got hurt because of the offense we ran. Sure there were lots of fake injuries but who really got hurt because we ran a fast-paced offense. Everyone can read between the lines and what he is really saying is we dont know how to stop the TN offense so it isnt fair. The NIL has taken away one of our recruiting advantages so it isnt fair. Cry me a river. How fair was it for UT to play georgia and bama every year or florida and bama when flo was really good in the east… You dont hear other coaches whining about TN’s offense, only saban. Quit crying and play the game. Good grief what a baby he has become.
Yep 100%. 100 Million is not enough for this guy to quit crying about. Over a ten year contract that is how much he’s going to get not counting promotion gigs. I think if he feels that if he starts losing games, his contract is going to be questioned. IF your not in the playoffs or national title game every year, maybe he feels the justification for that kind of money will be questioned?
That is a good argument if he were 50 or 60 years old. However, he is 71 and could retire tomorrow, have zero money worries, and have dozens of non-coaching opportunities. His contract and future coaching earnings don’t mean much to him at this point because his value extends beyond football. gwhite, Saban could quit today and charge $100k per speech/private event. He does that one per week, that’s $5 million.
Last time the Vols were any sort of a team to be reckoned with was around 25 years ago so sort of an ironic statement
so in your feeble mind you are only a team to be reckoned with the year after you win a Natty. if you are going to post at least try to be credible you ignorant wretch.
No, but Tennessee has been garbage for most of those 25 years. That was the basis of my statement and is fact
you obviously wouldnt know a fact if it hit you in the face. such stupidity should not be allowed on here.
When were they not in that time then? Saying they have been good over the last 25 years heavily weights the period closer to the beginning of that timeframe. The rest of it…not so much. 27-13
UGA has been garbage for most of the last 100 years. See how that works? lol. TN has had issues since 06 and with a brief reprieve in 15 and 16. There are many other teams that have performed far worse over the same stretch. But this still does not give credence to anything Saban is saying. TN is a cash cow machine because they know winning in other sports matters to an overall program money department. UGA and Bama have not figured this out yet. That is why Spire is the best collective in the country at TN. We recruited and spent this much all in a season we renovated Neyland. While UGA still plays their football in a horseshoe and uses weeds to try and make it look intentional. lol Wow, even Tulane made a complete oval stadium possible many decades ago.
But why say 25 years moron? We won the natty undefeated in within that 25 year period? You all have sucked until 17. Anytime you were competitive just before that and since has been because the east was down. Namely UF and TN. There has never been a season where if UF, and or TN was elite UGA won anything in the east. Name me the year where UF and TN were 10 or 11 win teams that you won the east? So with how rarely you have played Bama in the regular season and TN and UF being down most of those years, it looks more like good fortune than earning it by beating good teams. 75th ranked SOS’s year in and out? If coaching issues had happened at TN and UF, you’d still be searching for your 1st championships since 80. I like UGA and don’t get me wrong, they are skilled but this was all made possible by other team’s coaching woes. That starts with who the AD’s and chancellors were. For most of my life UGA was a team like Vandy we beat year in and out and a decade straight at times. I guess we Vol fans think you need to do a lot more winning and earning before your even mentioned as a storied program. Two natties of late after a pan demic with that schedule, feels.. well, like you need to do more. We have done far more in our stint and your just recently gotten to the table, the easy way.
But you were down, weren’t you. Yes, it the 85 Bears were in the East, they’d win. They aren’t. But shouldn’t the playoffs be the great equalizer for teams from weaker divisions and conferences? And yet Georgia is 5-1 in those playoffs. Isn’t it interesting…
And I didn’t say 25 years…Nick Saban did in making a case that a school he has beaten 15 of the last 16 years somehow makes his schedule harder than everyone else. Lets be honest, Over those 25 years Auburn has been just as good if not better than the Vols and their better years are more recent. The Gators may as well be in a different universe as with UGA and their recent dominance of the Vols. It isn’t a “down year” like Bama last season when it goes on for over a decade. It is a once solid program that fell. Yes, if Tennessee and Florida were better than UGA, they’d have beaten them. They weren’t. If UGA was simply feasting on that, they wouldnt be 5-1 in the playoffs with 2 Championships in 3 appearances. 1998
Fair would be equal opportunity, not equal results. Fair, as regards to NIL, would be if every school had a booster club with an equal amount of money to spend.
The SEC has had a Super 6 historically. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee and Florida. Add to those teams Texas and Oklahoma and you get the new Super 8.
No team should have to play 3 permanent opponents from the Super 8 and all teams should have to play at least 1 permanent opponent from the Super 8.
Ideally, the 8 historically best teams should get 2 Super permanent opponents and the 8 teams not in the Super 8 group should get 1 Super permanent opponent.
I suspect this could be done fairly easily while maintaining most of the critical rivalry games that bring big ratings… big bucks.
“The SEC has had a Super 6 historically. Alabama, Auburn, LSU, Georgia, Tennessee and Florida. ”
Super? I mean I love Au but super? No.
Historically speaking, win totals, Auburn is in the top 6 of current SEC teams. Yes, they have been down for a few years, but history tells us that trend likely won’t last long. I think Auburn is on the right path to get back to it’s usual standards.
What gets me the most about Saban’s remarks is besides last season, when was the last time that LSU or Tennessee was anything close to a real threat? It’s been a long time. The loses to both were more about what Alabama was lacking than about how good LSU or Tennessee was.
Judging by the last 10 years, I see no reason why Saban would fear LSU and Tennessee. What are the odds that either UT or LSU, or both is looking for another coach three years from now. 50-50 at best.
The SEC is about to add Texas and Oklahoma. Add them to Georgia, Alabama, LSU, Tennessee and so on. Nothing is going to change.
Two teams from the SEC will have a real shot to win it all in any given year. Will it be Georgia and Alabama? Texas and LSU? who knows the future… Whining about a schedule is pointless.
Yea Tim, they were lacking an ability to stop good offenses or overcome LSU’s Defense. And why? Coaching drop off. This all started in 21 after Sark had departed. The backups for Bama were good, than 21 happened. Once Sark left, it was left to more inexperienced coaches to get them ready. Saban had zero hand or ability to coach up backups, especially offensively. Bama only averaged 3.2 yards against the SEC in running the ball. That carried over into 22. Saban only was concerned about TN and LSU when he lost to them. As those teams improved, the Bama advantages lessened. TN is a better offense due to scheme no matter how deep Bama’s offense is at talent even. The uptempo evens out more the depth disparity and Saban knows this. That’s why he wants it gone. LSU’s D massively improved as well as offensive play and resulted in a win over Bama. These are 1st and 2nd year SEC HC’s that beat him with scheme. They out-coached him, one with offense, the other with D. An old dog coach needs a new trick to keeping winning but there are few options in which he’ll choose other than what used to work in the past. In his mind, this should have worked last season but he underestimated what we all warned him about concerning how other teams with NIL and the portal are going to improve in the short order. Scheme is beating this coach, not depth and hence the meltdown.
Yeah, Tim. That 2019 15-0 Nation Champion LSU team was terrible. They were nowhere close to a real threat to anyone. Sweet memory you got there.
Tennessee…Sure, but LSU? Yeah they are like 3 years removed from winning it all and have 3 since Tennessee last won it. But I am sure Vol Fans love being inserted into the discussion of teams at that level lol
Dawgs2021 Team at that level? Wow, you really are from UGA. TN had the number one offense and still reigns as such. Lost two games on the 9th ranked SOS than beat Clemson. Stop it. Your still yet to prove you are on that level. Your real season began most seasons in the post season. I bet my entire pension you don’t win nearly as many games when we go to a 3-6-6. And you know it. You only been good for five minutes, which is since 17. You have decades to go before anyone consider UGA a long storied football program of national prominence. lol And even during that time some bad teams still beat you.. Texas never attempted a pass until they beat you..using the newfound pass they discovered in their game against you. lol SC was a five win team that beat you. Didn’t even make a bowl. The good offenses just walked all over you. LSU, Bama, UF and that is when you were a better team. lol All this since 17.
Dawgs2021 You were labeled as Choke U for a reason since 17 and even SEC shorts paired you up in a dating skit with a girl named Hope..lol TN has proven with even 1/3 the talent of UGA they can beat the teams you kept losing to. Bama and LSU. So forgive us if we don’t associate you with the historical programs of TN and Bama. Eve with TN’s long drought since the early 2000’s UGA never caught up to TN in 2nd most winningest SEC program.. Second only to Bama. This is jsut more proof you guys haven’t been anybody’s for most of your tenure at football. Only two time periods of great success. A few years in the 80’s and the few years since 17. And if you didn’t have a deep team going into the rona demic, you were going to be much worse for 2 or 3 years after, unless you were TN and a couple of other larger programs. Your 21 and 22 season’s successes were greatly aided by how this demic affected most teams. They had massive opt-outs and portal defections. Some teams in 22 got out of it more so than others but 23 we will see even more. You just happened to win the natty two years in a row after the worst opt outs for everyone due to the rona demic and you think the two still aren’t related? LOL ok.
That’s fine. I’ll take 5 minutes and 2 championships in a row over whatever Tennessee is. All in know is that in Tuscaloosa and Athens, 10-2 is a serious disappointment.
“An equal amount of money to spend”. That can never be because if you are doing elite in other sports, your not going to just not use that money. This is why as a school, you need to do more in other sports. Bama is just now something in basketball and not much else other than football. Bama donors don’t want to all of a sudden have to pay for wins they been getting for a decade. Saban has a problem with boosters. It isn’t outgaining TN, LSU and maybe UGA. The new football here is you can’t just win outright with 5 stars. Like I said before last season, you need some newer inginuity like on offense or in other sports. But the NIL got blue chips to more teams, making it more fair, at least moreso than just money. Marketing and branding isn’t something Saban is good at and he only has Bama’s rep and play to recruit. If play slips, you have to dig deeper into your pockets but you must be able to sell your program on dynamics. He’s given up that fight and now wants to the old days of running the ball to win games, because that’s about all he can coach with any success with depth. Crying about all this about TN, rules, NIL is only going to hurt Bama and his team. There will come a day when TN out-recruits Bama and probably LSU will as well and potentially others, if he loses 2 or more games a season. But he won’t play this game for much longer if nothing changes. If he doesn’t reach the playoffs. He has to think of his money-making opportunities after football, like in sports media as a commentator or announcer, whatever the case. You always go out on top is the rule. Not linger and whine for years after the glory years are gone. He does not want these new changes, any of them and does not want to retire but alas, if he does not adapt with success, he’ll go the way all coaches eventually go. Out ta pasture.
All worthless rhetoric. The ONLY school in the SEC that could possibly complain of difficult permanent rivals is Vanderbilt. Vandy might not agree with scheduling, but they do understand the economics of it. As for everyone else…just get over it.
To quote one of the best movie lines ever…”The hard is what makes it great.”
Off the top of my head, the top 8 teams (historically speaking) might have 2 permanent rivals from that 8 team group;
Top 8
Bama -> AU, Tn, MSt
LSU -> Texas, OK, Arky
AU -> Bama, UGA, Ole Miss
UGA -> Fl, AU, SC
Fl -> UGA, Tn, UK
Tn -> Bama, Fl, Vandy
Tx -> Ok, LSU, aTm
OK -> Tx, LSU, Mo
the teams not in top 8
Ar -> LSU, Mo, aTm
aTm -> Tx, Ole Miss, Arky
OM -> Au, aTm, MSt
Mo -> Ok, Arky, MSt
UK -> Fl, SC, Vandy
SC -> UGA, UK, Vandy
Vandy -> Tn, UK,SC
I’n not totally familiar with each fan base’s view of their top rivals, so I’m sure I’ve not got this perfect, but each team in the top 8 would have 2 permanent opponents from the top 8 and each team in the bottom 8 would have only 1 permanent rival from the top group.
To me, this is about as fair as it can be. Having said that, any schedule in the SEC is gonna be tough.
I mistakenly left out Miss St from my list above:
Miss St -> Bama, Ole MIss, Mo
Oh dear, as a SEC fan to the hardcore.
Bama needs to keep Lswho, rocky flop and awbarn.
Every two years its Lizards and UGAly dawgs.
Win those games and there is your number one seed for the playoffs.
Bama Ls?, awbarn, rocky flop
Awbarn UGAly dawgs, pachyderms and lizards.
Ugaly dawgs can have awbarn, lizards and boom boom sooner
Speak English.
He has always whined. What’s the surprise?
Remember Jackie Brown? Ordell says, “You can’t trust Melanie, but you can trust Melanie to be Melanie.”
In the same spirit, you can trust Saban to ALWAYS do/say whatever he needs to do/say at that moment to give him a better chance of winning. He has no core beliefs, other than winning.You can’t trust anything Saban says comes from a sincere belief in the integrity of the sport, but you can trust Saban to do/say whatever he has to do to win at that point in time.
Smart is trying to out Tennessee Tennessee and you are whining about Saban not having integrity? Good grief – you’d think you would hide in shame at the criminality occurring in your backyard
Did he give someone a gun to murder someone or something? STFU
Looking forward to your proof that Miller have a gun to anyone, d u m n a z z.
Would’ve helped if I’d have used “gave” instead of “have.” Speaking of d u m b a z z e s…
Out TN? lol Kirby to his credit would make no excuses like we’ve seen Saban make. None. Saban is a fair weather coach. He doesn’t care about safety when it comes to TN’s offense. He cares that he can’t stop it and not even with O’Brian whose way way way way more experienced and a better OC than Reese. This is all precursor boo hoo unfair ground work for the even TN goes to Tuscaloosa and beats Bama. Win or lose, he is showing he has a definite fear of losing at home game to TN. I can respect Kirby and do but what I can’t stomach is cowardice by Saban’s rants.
Not sure as to why Saban even brought up their potential 3 annual opponents. I mean they’ve played lsu, auburn and UT every year since the sec was created, possibly even since the creation of the original southern conference. Nothing is even changing for them, and it’s not like Bama wins these 3 games more often than not. I am a huge Saban fan and thought he had a bad take on this.
LSU and Alabama have played every year since 1964. The conference was created over 30 years prior to that.
The difference is this, aside from LSU and TN beating them. It’s the fact that TN and LSU have proven to be on the rise and TN is at playoff contention level. LSU is nearly there and could be this year and Huge Freeze is a problem for Saban as we’ve see, now at a school that can recruit and competed closely with Bama over the last 5 years. Oh well, it’s the luck of the draw. For all we know a few more teams could rise this year, Ole Miss, UK with their offensive guy back, SC the list goes on. But having those 3 and issues with them is all about what they have done lately and knowing AU’s offense will be light year’s better this year. Freeze and Heupel could have the two best offenses in the SEC this year and wouldn’t count out LSU being in there. I don’t expect UGA’s offense to exactly crater either with Bobo. More challenge for Saban is inevitable and that is just part of coaching.
I am not sure one good season = “on the rise” especially when your 10-2 mark that you consider good is disastrous for the teams you are claiming to be catching. We will see this season if they are “on the rise”. Yes, they beat Bama. Thats it though and the law of averages dictates you eventually win over the course of 16 years. Heck Georgia got Florida once in the 90’s and those were terrible teams. Saban was in the championship game 2 years ago and won it 3 years ago. So far 2022 is just a blip…just like with Tennessee
Um, dunce, how about in 21? We went from a 3 or 4 loss team to 7, and to 11 in two seasons. You can only count the years Heupel has been there moron. Why? Because that’s the standard measurement for why a team improves. The HC! lol. Teams we been trying to catch we beat tard. Bama, LSU, UF, and Clemson was a good measuring stick. This was a better Clemson team than the one you couldn’t offensively score a point against a year earlier. Do you see how I did that? Made you look stupid with data facts? It took Kirby 6 years to beat Saban and with all that depth. It took Heupel 2 years with half that depth, maybe less than that. Again, dunking on you..lol Yet you keep trying. There are teams that even with laws of average should have done a bet job but didn’t. I rely on coaching over laws of average because coaching determines how good you are, and not laws of average. Um are you really comparing the offense of UGA in the 90’s to what TN’s offense is today? LOL. Another dunk.. Stop while your this far behind sir.. lol. What you are calling laws of averages, they happen do to errors on the better team or upsets. They aren’t putting 50 plus points on elite teams when they do it. SC didn’t offense you into oblivion when they beat you. They upset you because you all were dumb and made too many mistakes. See the difference? Another dunk.. lol All these statements above in relation to your last line is pure gravy. Another dunk.lol TN in 21 went from 107th offenseively to 7th ranked offense by season’s end. In 22 they went to number one and you still think that’s a blip? To illustrate your stupidity, what are we not hearing from any media source?? TN’s offense was a blip and will be average in 23..lol. See how that works? They know Heupel’s resume and where his offenses have ranked and that is higher than UGA’s. Monken vs Heupel’s offensive resume is far more impressive than Monkens. If you think this style of offense is gimmick, which again, no media has said or is saying, only UGA fans, than that should give you a clue. It’s a run based offense. But is good enough in passing to win games exclusively if it had to and has. Example, Pittsburg in 22, UF also.
3 or 4 win team in 21***
Conference Championship. [SEC Bylaw 30.22.1.3]
1. The Conference champion will be determined by a game between the two division champions. The team in each division with the highest percentage of wins during all regular-season Conference competition will be declared division champion. If two or more teams are tied with the highest percentage of wins, they will be declared division co-champions.
You picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue, Mattie.
Not sure what Ohio State’s 2012 bowl ban has to do with anything.
That’s Ohio State’s problem.
Sad to see so much argument over a Matt Hayes article. You all know this is what he wants, right? If he can’t find a controversy, he’ll invent one.
Agreed. Let’s just rally around the one thing that most of us can agree on…that being that Tennessee sucks.
So having the number one offense, beating Bama in year two, as well as LSU whom also was another top ten team, as well as UF, Clemson and scoring 35 plus average and 47 for the entire season average is TN sucking? LOL Omg, listen to the stupidity that’s coming out of your hole sir..You can rally all you want around your own delusion but no one else with a mic, media and coaches and most the fan base agree with your derangement. lol. Stop acting as smart as Jethro from the Beverly Hillbillies. lol
In the only game I really cared about, the Vols got 13 and yes, giving up 63 to South Carolina is indicative of suckage
Hey Bayou, do you think you got thumped by a gimmick offense concerning TN? Especially when they not only beat you, but Bama, UF, Clemson and averaged 47 points for the season? Let’s see if your smarter than a dumb dawg..lol
You only played one defense and it shut you down.
The only difference in Matt Hayes and Negan is the Ga/Fl thing. You shouldn’t write these late night Bama hate screes when you’re drunk Bro.
He never said anything untrue. Saban is really crying like a debutant at a cancelled prom.. lol.
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