Hayes: There's no ceiling to the B1G's hypocrisy
Nick Saban gives the same simple speech to every player he signs, and every coach he hires.
I can deal with good news and bad news. I can’t deal with the unknown.
It’s time for some honesty in college football. Time to stop the disingenuous shell game and the outright deceit.
Time to stop the backstabbing and two-timing, stop saying one thing while executing another.
Time to eliminate the unknown.
“I’m absolutely floored by what I just watched,” an ACC athletic director texted me Tuesday.
There was Big Ten commissioner Kevin Warren in Chicago, kicking off the league’s Media Days like a politician in an election year — shifting lanes and changing narratives and swimming in hypocrisy without a hint of shame or embarrassment.
Less than a year ago, he was humble and reserved, touting the virtues of “like minds and universities” while rolling out the shell game he called an “Alliance.”
He convinced the Pac-12 and ACC that together, they could stand up to the big bully SEC and do what’s right to save amateur heaven.
Only a funny thing happened along the way to holier than thou: The Wolf bared his fangs and claws and — tada! — he looked a whole lot like the big, bad SEC. Only much worse.
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That was Warren Tuesday afternoon, saying the Big Ten had to be “bold” and “innovative” and “creative” — all while avoiding the obvious hypocrisy of mortally stabbing the Pac-12, its Alliance partner, stealing its 2 biggest brands (USC and UCLA) and leaving it to die on the vine.
Bold. Innovative. Creative.
Warren and the Big Ten are zeroing in on the future of college sports, and he made it very clear they wouldn’t stand around and watch again. Those days are long gone.
Not long after Warren’s speech, Ohio State athletic director Gene Smith told ESPN that he could see a 16-team Playoff develop.
I mean, the stones on these guys.
This is the same conference that, along with its Alliance pals, torpedoed a 12-team Playoff expansion mere months ago because things were moving too quickly, and player safety, and the future of amateur sports … and blah, blah, blah.
And everyone bought it.
That was Warren Tuesday, standing barrel-chested and not flinching. The ultimate politician.
“He knows what he said and what he sold a year ago,” the ACC athletic director said. “It doesn’t matter. He’ll just tell you another story.”
Warren now claims the Big Ten won’t expand just to add teams, that any future expansion must be a value add. Notre Dame is the biggest piece remaining on the board, but the Irish value their independence and are currently negotiating a new media rights deal.
Maybe Warren’s bold talk at Big Ten Media Days was a demarcation of sorts for Notre Dame. Here’s the line, here’s the deal.
The bus is filling up. Join now or else.
Or maybe, as multiple industry sources told SDS, the Big Ten really is interested in stretching its geographical footprint from New York City to Seattle, to Los Angeles, to Miami and back to the home office in Chicago. A true national conference.
There’s a reason multiple industry sources told SDS that Washington, Stanford, Oregon and Cal are balking at signing any new media rights agreement with the Pac-12 with an eye toward further Big Ten expansion.
The more the Big Ten shakes the expansion tree, the more there is panic in the streets. SEC commissioner Greg Sankey said last week that his league will stay at 16 teams unless circumstances dictate otherwise.
Kevin Warren just opened up a can of the unknown.
There are 2 ways this ends: the Big Ten stays at 16, or we’re on our way to an NFL future in college football, complete with a 20-team AFC and NFC (Big Ten and SEC), a postseason tournament and a Super Bowl.
Bold. Innovative. Creative.
Deceitful. Disingenuous. And yes, destabilizing.
The ultimate politician delivering the unknown.
“Deceitful. Disingenuous. And yes, destabilizing”.
You just described 95% of politicians. Warren would make a great candidate cuz he can talk out of both sides of his mouth at the same time and has no problem reversing positions for personal benefit.
Warren IS a politician, have no doubt.
And Matt, let us not forget how Warren did a 180 on playing during 2020 AND how the conference chsnged its’ rules to have OSU be in the playoff. What’s that word…starts with a ‘c’…oh, means ‘not being fair….help me out someone. Kevin?
He also described the SEC
“Deceitful. Disingenuous. And yes, destabilizing”. Is exactly what happened to the Big 12 and that triggered the alliance and the backstab of the Pac.
Just saying , the SEC and Sanky aren’t saints.
I thought Okie and Texas came to the SEC and not vice versa.
change your name this minute.
I think you’re missing the point. The B1G tries to stand on its moral high horse all the time as opposed to the SEC which doesn’t try to hide the fact that its about money and winning. Case and point last 2 seasons ago during the initial pandemic. B1G cancels its season with talk about how the only thing that matters is the health of the kids until of course Ohio State starts complaining and suddenly they’re reconsidering everything and last year when Texas and Oklahoma switched to the SEC and they were again on their moral high horse about Conference expansion and a so called “alliance” until of course USC and UCLA called. That’s the difference. The SEC doesn’t stand on a soapbox making grand pronouncements.
He’s the perfect politician. Especially now!!! He can be in bed with China, and Saudi Arabia servicing them. While at the same time Putin under the red white and blue covers. Stinking everything up!!!! LOL © Negan.
PS. Probably choose the head of BLM as his vice president!!!! LOL
Negan
Totally agree
Life is the unknown, and anyone who says differently is selling something.
Trying to make Kevin Warren the bogeyman in all of this is a bit ridiculous. His job description begins and ends with acting on the wishes of the Big Ten presidents. It’s no secret that the Big Ten wants Notre Dame. Warren may be a bad actor, but he’s just doing his job. It’s also no secret that Pac-12 schools would much rather join the Big Ten, but they mainly want out of the Pac-12, especially with rumors flying that certain Pac-12 schools may end up in the Big 12.
Exactly, he’s no different than any other conference commish, in particular Sankey, simply doing and acting in a way he feels is best for his conference. If anyone here thinks Sankey cares about College Football first they simply haven’t been paying attention. What College Football needs is a single figure head to keep the Sankey’s and Warren’s et all from running this thing off the rails. But it’s probably too late, unfortunately.
Something like the NCAA?
No thanks.
The SEC should form its own regulatory board.
No, nothing like the NCAA. The NCAA’s failure to oversee the conferences and instead allow them to act independently has got us here.
@Booches
Curious to know what’s your solution is.
TV vs. Income from games between same conference opponents. TV wins because you can advertise to 20 million on TV or 100,000 at the stadium.
Why does that matter? $ paid by big business for ads
conference races drag more viewers into the advertising value!
TV people hate a lot of Non conference games. Games between super- conferences regular season have a wide range of values. The K-State vs Missouri game has the potential to get SEC and Big 12 fans over a wide range of ages.
There will be way better games on than KSU vs Missouri at whatever time or day that game is happening.
If that Oregon, FSU and Miami stuff plays out it will potentially lead to some wild weekly road trips during the cross division games. Other than adding Hawaii, I am not sure you could plot a longer flight for a seasonal game that what you will get with Oregon vs. Miami. SMH!!!
Football is one thing with high revenue, weekend games, and a limited schedule but what about other sports like baseball and basketball. How much is it going to cost to fly the womens soccer team and softball team crisscrossing the country?
Miami to Seattle.
Bold. Innovative. Creative……pffftttt!
Warren’s moves seem more like that of a copy-cat instead. The SEC adds two teams then monkey see – monkey do.
And what’s up with forming an alliance then stabbing your partners in the back like that? Hoping Karma pays him a visit.
And as much as I don’t care for Okie and as much as I hate Texas, those two additions are superior to UCLA and USC.
My earlier post is “awaiting moderation”.
Those comments get sucked into a black hole and are never seen again. You’ll have to retype it over eliminating whatever part got you moderated.
That is if you wanted to share the thought you had in the moderated comment.
Seems like that black hole is getting deeper & wider in scope. That 1st comment contained a zero offensive nature in terms of words and comments. Sometimes it’s difficult to know what gets a comment moderated. It was facts, not opinion.
“Sometimes it’s difficult to know what gets a comment moderated. It was facts, not opinion.”
It was the facts..
I really don’t think this whole “I’m bad, I’m nationwide” approach the B1G is taking is gonna work out the way they think. The reason the SEC has such great fan support is because it has a regionalistic flavor. Most people from Tennessee have no problem tooting for a team from, say, Arkansas or Mississippi, because ewe have a relatively similar outlook on life (read: Red states). Does the Big Ten really think a fan base in Texas is gonna root for a team in Sodom itself, LA?
*we, not ewe. We’re not talking about sheep here
*rooting, not tooting. Lol
Dose of Beano will take care of the tooting there 1998.
I liked Seinfeld.
That’s exactly it. If I’m not watching my Gamecocks play, I’ve got a Florida, Auburn, or Texas A&M game on hoping they win. Or watching Georgia, Tennessee, or Alabama lose.
And that logic goes all out the door if they are playing a non-sec team… Except Georgia… I’ll pull for Clempson over Georgia
And if Clempson joins the SEC, I would then rather see Jawja beat them… Only scenario.
Concerning Clemson…A good friend of mine who lives in Charleston said this. “I don’t wish Clemson any bad luck but I I do hope they never ever win another football game”. He’s a lifer Cock fan. Go Cocks ! Beat Clemson !
You are exactly correct. College football is a regional sport. Being from the PNW I would rather watch a Washington State vs Oregon regular season game any day compared to another boring Alabama – Georgia national title game.
If regionality and passion are taken out of the college game, then the future does not look very bright for college football.
I love college football. I grew up near Gainesville, so mostly I love the Gators. My sister went to Auburn, so I root for them as well. My daughter went to Indiana, so every 5 years or so, they give us something to cheer about. The problem with the mega conferences is they are destroying the college football experience. It will Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State and maybe USC and Notre Dame. They will be on TV every week. The rest will be an after thought. Local newspapers are dead. A lot of local TV channels are gone. The entire college football world will be controlled by Disney/ESPN. There are a lot of college game day traditions around the nation that have been around for longer generations. I don’t want to watch Ohio State and Alabama every Saturday. I would love to see Florida play a few times a year. Or Tennessee. Or even Indiana. I just think the richness of college football we have enjoyed for the past decade or so will be sucked up by corporate America.
Those of us who said it would be a bad idea to pay the players agree with you. From a Bama fan that once lived in Palatka FL.
LOL. It’s big business and he gets that so far. He hasn’t done anything and not doing anything the Greg Sankey isn’t. It’s not the B1G’s responsibility to prop up the ACC, Big 12 or PAC 10. What will probably end up is the SEC working out of the south east and the B1G working to pick up the remaining available teams across the country. As far as the playoff goes- I’m good with 4, but let s face it a 16 team, playoff would include more SEC Teams. As far as jamming up last year’s 12 team proposal-it was more about waiting until the product could go to an open bid vs giving ESPN exclusive bidding rights- and thereby having to accept whatever they offered, which was going to be less tan an open market bid.
You obviously don’t like college football. If all you concentrate on is money, you should be reading the Wall Street Journal instead of Saturday Down South. If the Big1G and SEC suck all the blood out of the game, and leave the PAC-12, ACC and Big – 12 in their dust, who do you think will be left to watch college football?
I love college football, but am aware that change is here. You can either sit and let it happen or you can actively try to participate and influence the outcome. If you sit and wait you will be irrelevant. People hate change it’s natural.
College football is a battle between ESPN and FOX. These 2 and not the SEC/B1G directly are calling the shots.
BTW, far more eyeballs watch the Ducks play football than watch the Bruins.
Not only did Warren flat out lie to Kliavkoff, something Sankey did not do to Bowslby, by keeping CAL, Stanford, Oregon and UW ‘on the hook’ he is acting to further destabilize his long term ‘partner.’
It’s no longer about the game on the field but the game in the boardroom. The big (pun intended) losers are the Olympic sports participants now facing ridiculous travel; travel the equivalent of or greater than professional enterprises.
“Shifting lanes and changing narratives and swimming in hypocrisy without a hint of shame or embarrassment.”
That Big Ten commissioner must be like the politician that currently resides in the White House.
That’s what they do every day. Yesterday, they even changed the long-established definition of recession. I’m so glad they changed it, it’s good to know a recession hasn’t started…
Rupert, everything has become laughable at this point. Changing the data valuations of a recession is “pie in the sky” thinking.
Snaith’s prediction at Univ of Central Florida of a pasta bowl recession is spot on.
I saw that too…
You know what else is deceitful, disingenuous, and destabilizing, Matt?
Accusing, with absolutely no proof, a head football coach of starting a player he knew of being under investigation because the coach wanted to beat his rival.
Even though the player had no idea he was under investigation until two days after the game and had the police informed anyone else that the player was under investigation before informing the player, say, like the player’s coach, that would be completely illegal and could have torpedoed the investigation.
Yep, that kind of vile libel is definitely deceitful, disingenuous, with the express purpose of being destabilizing by the person who printed that lie.
I knew the guy was a shyster from the beginning. He just continues to prove it.
How is that? He’s going after money which will bring more resources to his conference. That’s kind of his job. He hasn’t done anything that any other conference commissioner wouldn’t do. The SEC has decided to take a regional approach to expansion and the B1G has decided to take a national approach. The B1G is in its contract window and it’s in its best interest to get the most out of its offerings. One way to do that is to add schools that add value.
He lies every time he talks. From the beginning of the pandemic until now, all he has done is lie.
Kind of like Sankey lying through omission in his dealings with Texas and Oklahoma. If A&M had been quiet about it he would have pulled it off. To think there wasn’t going to be any response by the B1G was a miscalculation by Sankey. (or more likely he assumed they had no cards up their sleeve) Not to mention his credibility was shot when he tried to roll out the updated playoff proposal.
What nonsense are you talking about. Sankey didn’t lie about anything. Not even close. All Warren does is lie. I’m no fan of Sankey, but he and Warren are nothing alike. Sankey actually means what he says and follows through. Warren has never done either.
Sankey may of ‘lied’ by omission, Warren lied by commission.
Brawny, review Warrens’ actions. The pandemic fiasco, changing rules to “allow” Ohio St to get into the CFP, the alliance hypocrisy, and you’re thinking he made these steps because the school presidents forced him to?
I’m so old I can remember when the Pac-10 poached off the Big-12…
I fully expect this to go full Rasslin. Schools will change alliances every so often. Go over to the dark side. Turn heel. And do so in press conferences that are live, in living color, and track like a segment of Piper’s Pit. Maybe they’ll even body slam Cyndi Lauper in the ring.
Just as long as there’s no impermissible benefits, we’re all good…..
As did the B1G bringing in Nebraska and the SEC taking in Arkansas, A+M and Missouri.
There are no ‘clean hands’ in this game of conference chairs. Like everything else in America today the all mighty dollar trumps everything including loyalty and tradition.
Sankey is just as bad, if not worse!
Agreed
Nonsense.
I completely disagree. Greg Sankey and the SEC has no Alliance agreement with the B12.
The ” Can’t Count Crowd ” strikes again !
Good luck on Notre Dame, why does the sports media refuse to understand that Notre Dame will be King as a independent in 12-16 expansion playoff. They will have their own seat at the table, their own media deal, and will basically control their own destiny by being in the playoff ever year. Notre Dame is going no where, and could be the driving factor in saving college football from these clowns. Notre Dame has independence from Sankey and Warren, why would they give that up to become Maryland or Missouri? With as rich of a history in college football as anyone, Warren and Sankey will never be able to exclude Notre Dame from their grand plans. 1 team 1 vote, 16 teams 1 vote. I root for Notre Dame to stay independent, never been a fan, but they could be the last true soldier!
Who’s saying they’d include ND in this? It will get to the point where all the major decisions regarding football will be made by the 2 biggest conferences. They can do that without ND.
The decisions will be made by the two biggest networks and perhaps NBC if NBC believes Notre Dame is worth $75M a year,
The SEC did not add Texas and Oklahoma without the prior approval of ESPN; ditto the B1G adding SC/UCLA without the approval of FOX.
I agree with you, backwater, concerning Notre Dame. They will have their seat at the table and by being an independent they can pad that schedule with service academies, etc. to have a great record.
After all they are Notre Dame, the holier-than-thou Golden Domers.
i am certainly no fan of kevin warren, but criticism from a writer for an sec publication is entirely disingenuous. oh, the big 10 took the two biggest brands, and left to pac 12 to die on the vine. remind us what it is the sec did to the big 12 last year. but not only did the sec stab the big 12 in the back by taking their two biggest brands and leaving the conference for dead, they did it while negotiating an expansion of the playoffs without disclosing to anyone they had texas and oklahoma in their back pockets.
hypocrite, heal thyself.
the sec is the one who touched off this arms race. after that power move from the sec last year, did you expect the other conferences to just remain static, and watch themselves fall further and further behind the sec? if you did, you’re a fool. Usc and ucla are in the big 10 today, because of what the sec did last summer.
so spare us your boohoos.
in the world of unfettered nil and transfer portal, massive media rights deals, and an expanding playoff, it’s now survival of the fittest. a conference either grows, or it’s picked apart.
the big 10 decided that it did not want to live in an sec dominated future, and made the moves to ensure its place at the table. the sec made it an eat or die world, and the big 10 is eating. If greg Sankey and the sec doesn’t like it, I guess they should of thought of that before trying to game of thrones college football.
and maybe it’s merely semantics, but warren did say ‘like-minded universities’, not like-minded conferences.
The guy is a liar. Period. He formed an alliance with the PAC and then stabbed them. Sankey had no such arrangement with anyone. Sankey was for the 12 team playoff that included six conference champs. The Big 12 is still fine as a conference. The Big 10 will eventually take four more from the PAC and the Arizona schools will add to the Big 12. The PAC is dead. The alliance killed it. That’s funny stuff. Anyone trusting Warren is an idiot.
@lsusmc, no, the sec did not want automatic bids for conference champions. they wanted as many at large bids as possible.
also, the big 12 might be doing ok right now, but they’re just a shadow of what they were with texas and ou. cinci, byu, ucf and houston are not even close to making up for the loss of texas and ou.
and all of this talk about the pac12 dying is the exact same thing they were saying about the big 12 after the sec gutted them. maybe your memory is a little faulty, but do you not remember the aac – with the backing of espn and the sec, trying to poach what was left of the big 12? espn and the sec were actively trying to end the big 12, so texas and ou could join in time for the expanded playoff, without having to pay that exit fee.
the big 12 is alive today, though greatly weakened, despite espn and the sec’s attempts to end it. you don’t see warren, the big 10 and fox attempting to use a mid major to gut what’s left of the pac12, like sankey, the sec and espn attempted to do to the big 12.
so spare us the holier than thou act.
The SEC and everyone except the alliance were in favor of the six top conference champs getting into the playoffs. That’s a fact. Your commissioner got his feeling hurt because nobody looked at him as a leader but the two rookies in the ACC and PAC. They now know better.
Buckeye, the fact you completely missed is that the B1G just took the PAC12’s largest TV market AFTER forming a so-called alliance with them. Not only does the geography make far less sense than OU and TU being added to the SEC, but they gutted a conference they allied with to scuttle a playoff change that they will likely now endorse.
i think you all are too fixated on this idea of an alliance. there was no contract, nothing binding, unlike texas and oklahoma had with the big 12. the idea of an alliance was just that, an idea, nothing more.
really, what did warren do that sankey did not? do you really think sankey and the sec hold some moral high ground on the big 10? you want to say that warren was dishonest, ok, but what was sankey? a saint? he was trying to stack the deck in the sec’s favor by negotiating with the other conferences in bad faith. he had texas and ou in his back pocket, and was trying expand the cfp, with no guaranteed spots for conference champions, because he wanted as many spots as possible for the sec.
he knew the sec was about to turn the big 12 into a mid-major, and didn’t want them to have an automatic bid, at the expense of at-large spot for an sec team. texas and ou to the sec was absolutely a huge piece of the cfp puzzle, and sankey didn’t say a word. he knew it would cause the other conferences to balk at expansion, and so he dishonestly kept it to himself.
bottom line, sankey is no more honest than warren. both were ruthless in seizing as much power as they could for their conference. the fact remains that usc and ucla are in the big 10 today because of what the sec did last summer. and let’s not forget, usc and ucla approached the big 10, not the other way around. the trojans and bruins were leaving the pac 12 no matter what. they preferred the big 10, but if the big 10 said no, where do you think they would’ve ended up, the big 12? of course not, if the big 10 had said no, they would’ve approached the sec. do you think sankey would’ve said no to them?
of course not. so tell me again how you justify in your mind that sankey is any more honest than warren.
don’t chuck stones at the big 10 through that glass house the sec is living in.
No one said Sankey was a saint, but there’s an awful lot of conjecture and assumptions in your argument. You are assuming people’s motivation based solely on your perception of events, and then casting judgement on the presumed motivation.
Imagine coming to a verbal accord based on a handshake and then knowingly and rather promptly gutting one of the people involved. And then shrugging it off cynically while yelling that your opponent is no better.
is it safe to assume you’re referring to what i wrote about the sec and espn using the aac to end the big 12? call it assumption if you want, but their actions seem pretty clear. sankey was negotiating a playoff expansion, while secretly having texas and ou in his pocket. after it was announced that texas and ou was leaving for the sec, the aac attempted to lure away several big 12 schools. the aac is not a big conference. where did they get the resources and backing to attempt such a move? it doesn’t take much vision to see that texas, ou an expanded playoff, and getting rid of the big 12 greatly benefitted the sec and espn. just follow the money. call it assumption if it helps you sleep, but it’s a pretty safe assumption.
“Imagine coming to a verbal accord based on a handshake and then knowingly and rather promptly gutting one of the people involved. And then shrugging it off cynically while yelling that your opponent is no better.”
ah, you see my point. bob bowlsby and greg sankey were working together for two years on cfp expansion, and while they were working together, sankey was also going behind bowlsby’s back to get the big 12’s two biggest programs. fast forward a year, bob bowlsby is out of a job, and sec faithful dare to take the moral high ground on big 10 expansion. it’s pretty hypocritical.
you know what it smells like to me. it smells a little like fear. the sec made a power move, and just expected to be the biggest dog on the block in perpetuity; but then along comes the big 10 making an ever bigger power move. and now the sec is looking across a fence at a dog that’s every bit as big. the sec thought for the past year, it was going to have the spotlight to itself, but now the big 10 has it’s own spotlight. judging by what i’m reading here, the sec faithful don’t like that at all. vanity? fear? a little of both?
Vanity? Fear? Oof, such delusion. Why on earth would the SEC be fearful of USC and UCLA going to the B1G?? USC was last truly competitive 15 years ago and they hired a coach who has a dreadful record in the playoffs against SEC teams. The B1G is a strong conference but you are absolutely kidding yourself if you think the SEC and its teams and fans feel anything remotely close to vanity and/or fear. What utter nonsense.
Also, most of your arguments are still conjecture and assumptions.
@boxster methinks the lady doth protest too much. just take a look at this article and thread. people don’t invest this much angst in something that isn’t a threat. i don’t comment on stories about indiana football, because they don’t matter. do you think all of these sec fans would go out of their way to argue with mountain west fans, or mac fans? no, of course not, because those conferences aren’t a threat. people are responding with such vitriol, precisely because they’re concerned. yeah, yeah i hear you, ‘the sec has won most of the titles recently’. sure, but realignment is about the future, not the past, and realignment changes the game in a big way. as mentioned by someone else in this thread, the sec is becoming a regional conference, stretching from florida to texas. the big 10 now literally stretches from new york city to los angeles, ca. and if the rumblings are true, they may be stretching from south florida to the pacific northwest very soon. and then throw notre dame in the mix. whereas the sec is a regional conference, the big 10 is at this very moment a national conference, that may be getting even bigger very soon.
think about the implications of nil and the transfer portal, in a world in which one conference is regional, and the other is national. if things stay on their present course, it won’t be too much further down the road that the big 10 has far more nil money to throw at recruits and transfers. i’m not suggesting that sec teams won’t have nil money too, but in the future, the big 10 will have much deeper pockets. consider the nil money available for a player in a conference that encompasses most of the biggest markets in the country. i think deep down, that has sec fans feeling very concerned, as evidenced by how much heat my comments are generating. so vanity, yeah – see the comments about recent national championships. and fear, yeah, because of what i just wrote.
“there was no contract, nothing binding,”
So basically you agree that he is a liar and his word is no good… That’s basically what everyone is saying, he made an alliance with his word and broke it..
@bamatime i’m not defending warren, i’m just pointing out the hypocrisy of sec fans criticizing him and the big 10. sankey and bowlsby worked closely together for two years on cfp expansion, and then on the verge of it actually happening, sankey took bowlsby’s two biggest programs. how is that any less dishonest than what warren did. i’ve read a lot of rationalizing on here. let’s hear yours.
I don’t need to rationalize anything… It’s possible to point out someone is dishonest without defending someone else…
Oh, so it’s the SEC’s fault that the Big 10 poached Nebraska from the Big 12, poached Maryland from the ACC, poached Rutgers from – well, from wherever Rutgers came from. It’s the SEC’s fault your commissioner talked up the “alliance,” then stabbed his alliance friends in the back. Got it.
They all do this stuff, and blaming the SEC for the Big 10 snatching USC and UCLA is asinine. Before the Big 12 was the Big 12, they were the Big Eight until they poached what they wanted from the SWC and ended that conference’s existence.
“So spare us your boo hoos.” Dude, nobody in the SEC is boo hooing. We’re just more honest about who we are and what we’re about, instead of pretending to be oh-so-superior like the “B1G,” whatever the heck that’s even supposed to mean. Legends and leaders? Liars and losers is more like it.
My reply is directed to Buckeye World, by the way.
He’s just an apologist. His Negan diatribes are already old and tiresome.
uh yeah, south, i kind of figured you were talking to me.
what does nebraska have to do with anything? and no, it’s not the sec’s fault the huskers joined the big 10, it’s texas’ fault. texas just had to have their longhorn network, no revenue sharing and anything else they wanted, and nebraska, mizzou, a&m and colorado got fed up with it. texas placed themselves above the conference, and the conference paid the price.
but nebraska doesn’t really have anything to do with what’s going on right now though.
maryland left the acc, because they were desperate for money, and the big 10 had the money they needed. but then again, the acc took miami, va tech, boston college and syracuse from the big east, basically ending that conference’s existence. so i guess karma’s beehatch, right?
but there again, that doesn’t have anything to do with current events.
no one in the sec is boohooing? have you read this thread? there is whole lot of boohooing and moral grandstanding from sec fans. and yes, south, if texas and ou were not added to the sec last summer, usc and ucla would not have been added to the big 10 this summer. texas and ou to the sec destroyed the status quo, and created a mad scramble to avoid being left behind. the pac 12 was a sinking ship, and usc/ucla needed the stability offered by the big 10. that is exactly why they approached the big 10.
liars and losers, that’s clever, south. sounds exactly like the dynamic between greg sankey and bob bowlsby.
I do not understand why Matt and SEC fans are upset unless it’s fear or not being the top dog but big 10 is on equal footing with money and attention. Sec has no moral high ground. As a Texas grad, Sankey did the same thing Warren and big 10 later did. Why are they taking it personally. The pac 12 people should be the ones upset.
You guys and the big10 just need bring back the division names Leaders and Legends and that will help moral in the conference boardroom. Pump your egos with the media driven false metrics! Better yet, talk about big10 dominance back when the football was almost as round as a basketball! The difference is there are 5 SEC schools that have won titles since 2006, compared to 1 big10 school. Since 2006, SEC schools 11 titles the big10 1. SEC Dominance has been shown on the field, you guys can have the boardroom!
Buckeye, if you recall, one of (if not THE) the major obstacles in moving the playoffs to twelve teams was the sanctity of the Rose Bowl. It was college football’s greatest tradition and had to be protected at all costs. Period.
…until the B10 needed a couple of teams to keep up…
Deceitful? Disingenuous?
It was more about settling for a single bidder than it was anything else. If they expand the CFP prior to the current contract expiring-ESPN has exclusive bidding rights. From a cash stand point it makes better sense to hold off on expansion until it’s open for bidding. It’s not that hard to see.
That is not what the B10 said. The entire planning of any potential scheduling had to revolve around the Rose Bowl on New Years Day. Non-negotiable breach of tradition, they said. It all changed in an instant when, in their minds, they were falling behind. They torpedoed it like an enemy submarine. Not hard to see.
Did the SEC have an Alliance agreement with the B12? NO!
Sankey perhaps lied by omission, Warren lied by commission and continues the lie by keeping CAL, Stanford, Oregon and UW on the hook and concerned about pledging its media rights.
Warren is less of a hypocrite than he is a manipulator and an outright liar.
As a BIG rep, Kevin Warren will do what he wants. ND if they want, they are BIG 10. The bar will be raised. Bama, GA. Tam. Sit out this one and watch the union take over
Stop crying, ladies. The SEC is a cesspool.
No, that’s USC and LA in general.
It will be funny to see Shasta & the other University of Spoiled Children when the see real snow.
This guy also said the B1G had to cancel their 2020 season, but had no problem with his own son playing football in the SEC that season.
There is a true reason why Sankey said SEC will stay put at 16, and Warren said the Big Ten will expand proactively.
All of the remaining brand schools such as (North Carolina, Oregon, FSU, Miami, Clemson, and Washington, etc) will choose to join the Big Ten if both Big Ten and SEC invitations are offered.
The Big Ten has the potential to be a true national conference, aka, the new NCAA, which just have a headquarter in Chicago.
Maybe the big 10 can move to 50 teams to increase their chances of actually winning titles. It won’t help much.
Yeah, split Conference revenue 50 ways, Warren went after USC and UCLA bc viewing market on west coast, they are the largest. It’s all about Media revenue. Sankey is right at 16, outside of Notre Dame, there is no more big money out there. Notre Dame is the last cash cow available, just adding teams with no real media value hurts the bottom line.
ND will join a Big12/Pac12 league because the don’t want to be just another Big 10 team and they would get what they really want which is control. Think Texas in the Big 12 as an example.
After the valuations(Media Deals) of ND & the remaining Pac 12 teams than the show really begins.
None of those teams will get an invitation except UM because their markets don’t meet NFL Type requirements.
Take a good look at why Tom Benson’s attempt to use San Antonio as leverage with the Saints failed This is how the NFL works and is our collective future.
With NIL, the portal, and everything else going on…. lets just get the 2 super confrence thing over and start the NFL minor league!
What a topic and all of the comments. Seems like some Buckeye was a little butt-hurt. Let’s play the games & they will decide the who’s
who of college football. Currently we are in what is called “the Talking Season”.
Buckeyes cannot see the difference between breaching an agreement and entering into a business transaction free of such an agreement.
There was NO Alliance between the SEC and the B12. And I am certain that Greg Sankey was bound by a confidentiality agreement not to disclose discussions with OK and TX with Bob Bowlsby.
My Ohio St friends are certain the buckeyes would jump to the SEC if asked…They’ve had many battles with the big 10 head office…
They won’t join the SEC but the would join a Premier League setup.
The assumption that the less competitive programs in the SEC & Big 10 are safe is fools gold. Look what happened to the Pac 12 as an example. The talent in SoCal supported the entire league and now “Poof” party over and the leftovers have no games in SoCal.
It does look like the NFL type is where this is going. If so we are looking at a very sneaky Premier League in the making.
I would suggest the following programs have a shot at this:
Bama, Florida, Tennessee, Georgia, Mizzu, Texas, A&M, Oklahoma, LSU, Ohio St, UM, MSU,USC, UCLA, Wisconsin, PSU, Miami. Notre Dame, TCU, Houston. Stanford has a shot but everybody else over time will be second tier and maybe get one or two teams in a playoff system at best.
I know arguments can be made for other excellent programs. This is about the Media making money and as we have seen the College Presidents will do anything to get their slice of the pie.