ESPN’s Michael Wilbon is a traditionalist in most areas of sports, and especially college sports where the Big Ten native and Northwestern alumnus appreciates knowing the towns and stadiums in a given conference.

The talk of Texas and Oklahoma moving to the SEC, and presumably kick-starting a shakeup in conferences around the country upsets him.

“I hate it,” he said on ESPN’s “Pardon the Interruption.” “I hate it. I grew up in a different world. I’m not 15-years-old or 25-years-old. I grew up in a world where the Big Ten were 10 schools that I cared about, knew where each of them was located, could tell you the name of their stadiums. Now, you’re just going to have like two conferences, that’s all it’s going to be. So much for the Power 5. It’s going to be the Power 2, and each one of them will have like 25 schools in it and it’s a waste of my time. It’s a waste of time to talk about conferences. There are no more conferences.”

Wilbon then raised the question to his co-host Tony Kornheiser about why the SEC would be interested in having Texas and Oklahoma. Kornheiser replied that the answers to all of Wilbon’s questions had to do with money. Wilbon contended that there’s only two conferences that matter, the SEC and the Big Ten. Wilbon also admitted that even though he hates it, he’ll watch the games anyway.

“You add them to your conference, you’ve got the best conference by far,” Kornheiser said. “You know what Mike, if you take Ohio State and Clemson as well, you don’t need any other conference.”

Kornheiser added that the idea that the Big 12 would combine with the Pac-12, another “bag of bones,” tells you how desperate they are.