First and 10: Power ranking every SEC head coach entering 2023
1. I don’t want to get on a soapbox, but …
Anyone holding out now is doing so because of what was. Meanwhile, I’ll stay in the world of what is.
Kirby Smart is the best coach in college football, and therefore, the SEC (or maybe that’s the other way around).
And this, of course, means You Know Who is No.2.
A year ago, there were interesting (and I use that term loosely) responses when I first had the audacity to say Smart was a better coach than Nick Saban. He had caught Saban, and passed him — and frankly, was a major factor in Saban’s rise at Alabama in the first place.
Now here we are again, another annual ranking of the most competitive, fiery coaches in all of college football — where nobody really wins. The 2 at the top are in their own mini war, while the the 12 below are figuring out how to stay afloat in an ever-changing college football landscape.
And Texas and Oklahoma want to join this demolition derby?
They’re all chasing Kirby Smart, anyway. Even You Know Who.
On with this year’s ranking, heading into next week’s SEC spring meetings in Destin.
2. The championship level
1. Kirby Smart, Georgia (No. 1 in 2022): We have to start looking beyond the back-to-back national titles and the recruiting dominance.
If his secondary doesn’t blow a coverage in the 2017 Playoff national championship against Alabama, Smart could have 3 national titles in 7 seasons. Georgia has won 17 straight games, and 33 of 34.
The Bulldogs are on the verge of accomplishing what no other team in the modern history of the sport has done: win 3 straight national titles. The last program to do it was Minnesota in the 1940s, about a decade after the SEC was formed in 1933 — when Tulane, Sewanee and Georgia Tech were original members.
It’s recruiting (2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st and 2nd rankings in the past 5 classes per 247Sports composite), and development (48 NFL Draft picks, 12 in the 1st round) over the same time.
Nick Saban had a chance in 2013 to win 3 straight championships at Alabama, and then demanded 1 second back on the clock in the Iron Bowl. We all know how that ended. Maybe Smart, who was on the Alabama staff as the Tide’s DC and ace recruiter, learned from that season how to navigate the chase for 3.
2. Nick Saban, Alabama (No. 2 in 2022): Now, the counterpoint: Alabama has more wins than Georgia since 2017, and as many national titles (2).
Saban has a 4-1 record head-to-head with Smart since 2017. What else is there?
There’s 2 straight seasons of having the best player in college football (QB Bryce Young) and a loaded roster of the best combined recruiting classes over the past 5 seasons (according to 247Sports composite) — and a handful of impact transfer portal additions — and the Tide didn’t win the national title.
There’s the defense that once dominated college football in the 2010s that has now shifted to Georgia.
Look, it’s close. But here’s the key: It’s not as close as it was last year — and the gap between the 2 coaches is growing because Smart is developing players better than Saban.
You can complain about the Alabama defense, or that the offensive line isn’t as good as it once was, or that the receivers aren’t as dangerous and consistent as before. But that’s recruiting and developing.
There’s a disconnect somewhere.
3. Brian Kelly, LSU (No. 5 in 2022): I’ve said this over and over, and I’ll say it again: What did everyone think was going to happen when 1 of the best college coaches of the past 2 decades was given a job with every possible advantage?
Think about it this way: Kelly and Saban walked into similar situations at LSU (dysfunction, players transferring). Saban won 8 games his 1st season in 2000; Kelly won 10 and the West Division. And beat Saban.
Saban was at LSU when the SEC hadn’t begun to hit its stride. Kelly arrived with the SEC better and deeper than it has ever been.
Kelly will win a national title at LSU within his first 3 seasons, and maybe even this year. He’s young (61), in great shape, and loves to recruit. He’s going to be a load to deal with for a long time.
4. The long climb up
4. Josh Heupel, Tennessee (No. 10 in 2022): Offense and quarterback production has never been a question for Heupel.
Team building and recruiting elite defensive players were always the difference between a good coach and potential championship coach.
It’s turning at Tennessee, and Heupel has already declared this offseason that the Vols will have an elite defense. If they do — and if Heupel has QB Joe Milton playing at a high level (like every QB who has played for Heupel) — the Vols will beat Georgia and win the East Division if they can avoid another bizarre loss (see: South Carolina).
Not bad for taking over a program under NCAA investigation because the former coach and his wife were accused of paying players — and the Vols still weren’t winning games that mattered.
5. Mark Stoops, Kentucky (No. 3 in 2022): There were any number of reasons why Kentucky regressed in a season of high expectations.
It’s unfair to place all the blame on OC Rich Scangarello (since fired and replaced by the return of Liam Coen). A young offensive line struggled under 1st-year coach Zach Yenser, too.
Now it’s time for Stoops, who has done more with less than any other coach in the league, to recalibrate with Coen, NC State transfer QB Devin Leary and 2 elite WRs (Dane Key and Barion Brown). The Wildcats aren’t that far away from doing what Tennessee did in 2022: play games in November with the Playoff on the line.
6. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss (No. 6 in 2022): Rebels were 7-0 with 6 games to play in 2022, and couldn’t match 10 wins from 2021.
But losing 5-of-6 to finish the season is a bit deceiving. Ole Miss could have — and maybe should have — beaten Alabama and Mississippi State and gotten to 10 wins again.
Despite that, Kiffin still has 18 wins in the past 2 seasons at Ole Miss, and with a handful of made plays in 2022, would’ve given Ole Miss back-to-back 10-win seasons for only the 2nd time in school history.
His offenses are prolific and difficult to defend, and he’s developing elite players on that side of the ball.
7. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M (No. 4 in 2022): That national title at Florida State is a decade away, but the heavyweight recruiting Fisher accomplished in Tallahassee is still rolling strong in College Station.
Nearly every coach/play-caller reaches the point in a long career where he realizes he can no longer do both jobs — and it’s affecting the results on the field. I‘m not sure Fisher thinks he’s there yet, but he hired Bob Petrino, anyway.
In a perfect world, Petrino does what Kiffin and Steve Sarkisian did for Saban: expands and develops the offense and moves on without (for the most part) disruption. In any other scenario, this odd marriage of 2 of the game’s biggest egos gets interesting.
8. Sam Pittman, Arkansas (No. 7 in 2022): Every possible quirky and strange thing that could happen to a program seemed to happen last year at Arkansas — all the way down to a game-winning field goal attempt hitting the top of the upright.
Pittman completely revamped the roster (more on that later), and a team that lost 4 games by a combined 9 points — that’s how close the Hogs were to 11 wins — recalibrates and takes another shot with a schedule that has 4 non-conference gimme putts.
9. Shane Beamer, South Carolina (No. 9 in 2022): It’s hard to argue with 15 wins in 2 seasons, especially after the way 2022 ended with top-10 wins over Tennessee and Clemson.
But now what? Are the Gamecocks any closer than 41 points to Georgia? And what happens with the trip to Knoxville and the Tennessee rematch?
Beamer deserves a ton of credit for those Tennessee and Clemson wins, for getting a team (and a quarterback) ready despite losing by 32 points at Florida a week earlier.
Now it’s time to back it up.
10. Hugh Freeze, Auburn (unranked in 2022): What Freeze accomplished at Ole Miss from 2012-16 should put everyone in the SEC on notice.
Those 39 wins in 5 seasons — 2 over Alabama and Saban — came with NCAA issues, but now it’s all legal with NIL deals. And Auburn is loaded.
Freeze has proven he can X and O with the best of the SEC. But can he build at a program that doesn’t exactly have patience — and can he recruit at an elite level when everyone else can hand out NIL cash, too?
4. Searching for answers
11. Billy Napier, Florida (No. 11 in 2022): At the end of the day, 1 question remains: How much patience does the notoriously impatient Florida fan base have?
Because if they’re willing to choke down a few lean years, the payoff can be rich. Recruiting won’t be a problem; Napier is among the elite at it, and the Florida administration finally realizes what it’s going to take to compete with Alabama and Georgia and LSU.
But remember this: Will Muschamp recruited better than anyone outside of Saban while at Florida but couldn’t get the quarterback position figured out despite blue-chip recruits (Jeff Driskell, Will Grier). Napier is hands on with the quarterbacks and calls the plays — and might need to give it up if the Graham Mertz experiment fails.
12. Eli Drinkwitz, Missouri (No. 13 in 2022): Wile Mizzou took a slight step back on the field, the administration doubled down.
Drinkwitz’s contract extension from November 2022 all but guarantees he’ll be around awhile. If Missouri were to fire him without cause after this season, it would owe him $20.4 million.
The stadium renovation, the new indoor practice facility, the NIL commitment, the contract extension. It’s all there for Drinkwitz.
All that’s left is to find a quarterback and win games that matter — beginning with the Week 3 game in Columbia against defending Big 12 champion Kansas State.
13. Clark Lea, Vanderbilt (No. 14 in 2022): Look, it’s a brutal job. Always has been, always will be.
Lea says the goal is to win a national title. What else is he supposed to say?
The Commodores beat Kentucky and Florida last year, opened a new football facility and have broken ground on stadium renovations. The administrative effort is there, can the product on the field match it?
14. Zach Arnett, Mississippi State (unranked in 2022): The late Mike Leach raved about Arnett’s organization and motivation, and his consistent approach to coaching.
Or as Leach always said, “if you’re not coaching it, you’re allowing it.”
Arnett made a quick decision to veer away from the pass-heavy offense under Leach, and wants Mississippi State to play with more physicality on the offensive line. That might take another recruiting class, and more additions from the transfer portal.
5. The Weekly 5
Five games that stress the Ole Miss under of 7.5:
1. At Georgia, Nov. 11: Comes at the end of a brutal 6-game stretch that includes games at Alabama, and against LSU, Arkansas and Texas A&M.
2. LSU, Sept. 30: Tigers just started feeling it under Brian Kelly in last year’s game and won by 25.
3. Texas A&M, Nov. 4: Despite the 1-possession score in 2022, Ole Miss won rather comfortably.
4. At Mississippi State, Nov. 23: The annual white knuckle ride moves to Starkville. Ole Miss has had the better team all 3 games under Kiffin, and is 2-1 in the series.
5. At Tulane, Sept. 9: QB Michael Pratt turned down big NIL offers from multiple SEC teams to return to loaded Tulane, which won 12 games in 2022.
6. Your tape is your resume
An NFL scout analyzes a draft-eligible SEC player. This week: Georgia S Javon Bullard.
“At the end of the day, you want a guy on the back end that understands his role and plays it. I know that sounds basic, but his position in this league isn’t for freelancing. You know your deep zone, and you move to cover it. You know your run support, and you move quickly to get where you need to be and engage. He does it all with athleticism, and he can run better than most at safety. He attacks the ball in coverage, and the ball carrier in run support. Fun guy to watch play, because he plays smart and is never out of position — and he can bring it coming off the edge in those exotic Georgia fronts and pressures.”
7. Powered Up
This week’s Power Poll, and 1 big thing: most important month of the 2023 season.
1. Georgia: November (Missouri, Ole Miss, at Tennessee, at Georgia Tech). That Ole Miss (Nov. 11) and Tennessee (Nov 18) are back-to-back might help the Vols. They run similar tempo offenses, and Tennessee can glean whatever it can to put Georgia in a difficult position when it arrives in Knoxville.
2. LSU: November (at Alabama, Florida, Georgia State, Texas A&M). It begins with the rock fight against Alabama, and includes 2 potentially dangerous games. Florida will be difficult because it’s a week after the physical pounding with Alabama, and how good is talented Texas A&M (which beat LSU in 2022) if Petrino works his magic with talented QB Conner Weigman?
3. Alabama: October (at Texas A&M, Arkansas, Tennessee). Forget about the Nick vs. Jimbo nonsense, and understand Fisher may have found out how to handle his mentor. Beat him in 2021, and should’ve won in 2022. That game is followed by 2 roadies against 2 dangerous offenses.
4. Tennessee: October (Texas A&M, at Alabama, at Kentucky). Vols get a bye week to prepare for Texas A&M, but finish the month with back-to-back difficult road games. By mid-October, Alabama should have its quarterback situation figured out, and QB Devin Leary could have UK rolling.
5. Texas A&M: September (New Mexico, at Miami, UL-Monroe, Auburn, Arkansas at Arlington, Texas). Based on talent alone, the Aggies could be 5-0 after September — and what better way to kick off the heavy lifting of the back end of the schedule than by having 2 big SEC wins (and a big nonconference win) for Petrino and Weigman to feel good about?
6. Kentucky: October (at Georgia, Missouri, Tennessee). UK knows how to beat Florida (Cats have won 3-of-5), and that September win would cap a 5-0 month and set up and October with the 2 toughest games in the East Division. UK won’t win at Georgia, but can beat Tennessee at home (watch Devin Leary’s 2021 season in case there are questions).
7. Ole Miss: September (Mercer, at Tulane, Georgia Tech, at Alabama, LSU). Ole Miss has 31 new players (16 from the portal) and gets Mercer to begin the season before it gets real. Tulane beat USC in the Cotton Bowl last year, and Alabama — which Ole Miss could’ve beaten in 2022 — will still be transitioning with a new quarterback. LSU in Oxford is an advantage.
8. Arkansas: October (at Ole Miss, at Alabama, Mississippi State). September could end with back-to-back losses (at LSU, Texas A&M in Arlington), leaving October a critical salvage. Even if the Hogs can’t win at Alabama, beating Ole Miss and Mississippi State could pave the way for a 9-win season.
9. South Carolina: September (North Carolina in Charlotte, Furman, at Georgia, Mississippi Sate, at Tennessee). Which Spencer Rattler shows up? If it’s late November 2022 Rattler, South Carolina could get 4 wins. If it’s anything else, it could be 3 losses.
10. Mississippi State: September (SE Louisiana, Arizona, LSU, at South Carolina, Alabama). There are potholes everywhere in Arnett’s 1st season. Arizona will be vastly improved. LSU and Alabama are brutal for experienced SEC staffs, and the Bulldogs haven’t won at South Carolina since 1998.
11. Florida: September (at Utah*, McNeese, Tennessee, Charlotte, at Kentucky). Utah is Thursday Aug. 31, so it qualifies for September. Then there’s Tennessee and at Kentucky, and the potential of 2-3 for the month. UT and UK aren’t yet that far away in the East Division — and Florida needs to show it.
12. Auburn: October (at LSU, Ole Miss, Mississippi State). The get-right month. If September has 3 losses (at Cal, at Texas A&M, Georgia), Freeze desperately needs to make it up in October. LSU isn’t make or break, but Ole Miss and Mississippi State are.
13. Missouri: November (at Georgia, Tennessee, Florida, at Arkansas). Win a couple games you shouldn’t early (Kansas State, at Kentucky), and it builds momentum. Lose them, and it could be 0-for-November.
14. Vanderbilt: September (Alabama A&M, at Wake Forest, at UNLV, Kentucky, Missouri). A Week 0 win over Hawaii in August sets up the season goal of bowl eligibility. Then all it takes is winning out in the non-con schedule, and at least 1 SEC home win.
8. Ask and you shall receive
Matt: Can a complete roster overhaul like what Deion Sanders is doing at Colorado work in the SEC? — Kirk Franklin, Nashville.
Kirk:
There are a few SEC teams that, while they haven’t gone full-on Colorado (71 of the current 85 scholarship players are new), have certainly flipped a healthy percentage of their roster in 2022 and 2023.
At the top of the list is LSU, where Kelly arrived last year and his 1st complete class was 30 new players (15 high school, 15 portal). Year 2 for LSU under Kelly begins with 39 new players (25 high school, 15 portal).
In 2 seasons — not including players who left from the 1st class — Kelly turned over 69 spots on the roster. The how or why — or who left from the 1st class — is irrelevant. LSU in the past 2 years signed 69 new players.
One other key thing LSU has done in the past 2 years: become a legitimate threat to win the SEC.
Auburn under Freeze is — like most SEC teams — still recruiting the transfer portal, and will recruit graduate transfers (who didn’t have to be in the portal by April 30 to be eligible for 2023) until the 1st day of classes this fall.
Auburn currently has 40 new players on the roster, more than any other SEC team. That’s nearly half of the 85 scholarship limit. Arkansas is at 39.
It’s not Colorado, but don’t think SEC coaches aren’t reshaping their rosters.
9. Numbers
570. This should end any doubt of the change in offensive philosophy at Mississippi State: new MSU OC Kevin Barbay was the OC at App State in 2022, where his offense ran for 2,453 yards.
Mississippi State, meanwhile, rushed for 1,883 yards in the past 2 seasons under Leach’s pass-happy Air Raid offense — 570 yards less than what App State gained in 1 season.
While Barbay will still use Air Raid principles, his offense looks more like what former Baylor coach Art Briles did with Leach’s system — and what many others followed — by adding a downhill run element to it.
Last year, App State ran the ball 57% of the time (474 carries, 358 pass attempts), averaged 5.2 yards per carry and had 27 TDs. In the past 2 seasons, Mississippi State ran the ball 42% of the time (565 rushes, 1,338 passes attempted), averaged 3.3 yards per carry and scored 22 TDs.
10. Quote to note
Ole Miss coach Lane Kiffin on his deep quarterback room: “When people say ‘Well, why do you go add these guys when only one quarterback plays at a time?’ I say, ‘OK, well, do you like having really good pitchers on a baseball team? You’d like to have more than one.’”
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I still put Saban at number 1, because he has done it at multiple schools and took over a struggling Bama program. Smart took over a team that regularly won 10 games a year. And UGA has no real in-state competition for support and recruits. Just my opinion…
For a career, sure. But, we are talking about the here and now. Kirby has won two titles in a row and Georgia will most likely be ranked higher in the preseason. I’m not sure what Saban’s advantage would be now.
Saban would be beating both LSU and Tennessee and win the west division again.
*Saban would be out for revenge by beating both LSU and Tennessee and win the west division again.
as lsusmc said, this ranking is about the here and now. as for what both coaches took over, saban took over a squad that had just gone 10-2 the year before going 6-6, while smart took over a 10-3 uga team, but that was the most hollow 10 wins ever by a power 5 team, hence them not even finishing ranked in the ap and barely coming in at 25 in the coaches poll. name another perennial, top p5 team to finish with 10 wins and not finished ranked? you’ll have to look real hard.
also, if you’re a tn fan, you had a front row seat to the debacle of that year’s (2015) game. uga was up 21 in the 1st half only to unconceivably fall apart. hard to admit, but butch jones was the better hc in the stadium that night and no fan should ever have to admit that jones was a better hc than his team’s hc.
PT, Butch Jones wasn’t the better HC in 2015 or 2016 UT/UGA games. The difference was Josh Dobbs was the best QB on the field both games. Dobbs covered up many of Butch’s deficiencies. Butch would have been gone after 2015 season had it not been for Dobbs. I truly believe that had Dobbs had a competent Head Coach, UT would have won the East in 2015 and 2016, and Dobbs might have had Heisman talk.
i agree with essentially everything you said….but richt had checked-out in 2015, hence my statement that butch was better in that game. whether he had checked-out consciously or sub-consciously in the 2015 season could be up for debate.
as a fan of football, i don’t know how anyone couldn’t appreciate and respect all that dobbs has brought to the game. easy kid to root for.
Wasn’t Richt going through some health problems at that time also? Richt just seemed to lose that one game he wasn’t suppose to. That 2015 UT team was a good team that should have beat Oklahoma and Florida also that year. Heck UT was even up on Bama that year with less than 4 minutes to go in the 4th in 2015.
braves is right. Dobbs coached those teams.
Butch: ” ok lets run the train2 slant 56″
Dobbs in the huddle drawing in the grass with his finger: “ok coach called another stupid play so instead you go right here, pause then go long, you cut across the middle, I will see what the d gives and either run it, hand off or throw”
it’s not really public knowledge as to when richt started to truly feel the ramifications of parkinsons, but he did immediately accept the hc gig at miami following his last season with uga.
you’d have to search far and wide to find a uga fan to speak negative of richt, and my intent here is to not, but there looks to be some pretty convincing evidence to question how dialed-in and how much richt was able to put the teams (uga and miami) ahead of himself and his own self-interests.
Regardless of how you describe it, it’s still a ranking of coaches and youre not going to convince me that Kirby Smart is a better coach than Nick Saban.
I don’t really care where my coach is ranked, as long as his team is ranked #1.
98 is spot on about the real bottom line! If Alabama wins another NC next season, guess who goes back to being #1? If they don’t, the obits for “poor Nick” will be quite ubiquitous.
UGA has so many built in advantages compared to most SEC schools. It’s odd and amazing that it took so long for UGA to find the right guy to fully take advantage and build the program into one of the best in the country.
“…and build the program into the best in the country.”
Fixed it for you.
You’re certainly entitled to your own opinion.
Short answer: Michael Adams, the university president till 2013. He was never fully invested in what it takes to excel in SEC football, and was reluctant to spend the money necessary. When he finally hit the door and Jere Morehead took over in 2013, things began to change. Richt’s leash was shortened and expectations were made clear. When the trigger was finally pulled on CMR in 2015, Kirby was brought in with essentially an open checkbook. Upgrades began, the indoor facility was finally built, and the recruiting budget was whatever Kirby said it was. Prior to Morehead, the Athletic Department loved banking money. No longer.
That’s the identical problem Florida had with several university presidents. They were justified in thinking that way by Jeremy Foley’s luck in hiring two great HC’s that managed to land enough top talent at UF to win NCs despite their financial handicaps until each in turn bailed out and things unraveled.
Scared money don’t make money – so true. You want elite recruits, they have to believe they’re coming to an elite 360-degree environment. That means facilities, staff, development, support, and a crystal-clear leadership commitment. Jere Morehead and Josh Brooks are on the same page as Kirby – activate every possible resource to succeed in the SEC. It’s a dámn good investment.
The state of Georgia has the highest number of players per capita in the NFL. Louisiana is second. What is different than most schools is they have virtually no in state competition for those players. The population of Georgia is over twice as big as Louisiana. It is odd that UGA wasn’t at the top of the heap given the talent in the state.
They were losing much of their top talent for years to Auburn, Alabama, Florida and Tennessee. When Smart took over, that outflow was reduced to a tiny trickle, which he more than made up for by raiding next door Florida.
It’s a pretty bold move to not have Arnett first.
UGA is not “on the verge…”. The season hasn’t even begun.
Deject……Saban did NOT do it without Kirby at multiple schools!!! Saban only won 1 at LSU! It just happened to be the only season Kirby Smart was there!!!!
Saban had Muschamp as DC, & Kirby as defensive secondary coach. Pretty good combo! Saban had Jimbo Fisher as his OC! All these men are the best RECRUITERS in college football!!! Why wouldn’t Saban have won one??? It’s not anything that multiple LSU coaches haven’t done! Including Les Miles & Coach O!!! Les Miles beat Saban head to head in regular season and the NCAA forced LSU to play Alabama twice in the national championship game…..
SOMETHING THOSE HYPOCRITES ACTUALLY COMPLAINED ABOUT WITH GEORGIA IN 2021!!!!
Yet it wasn’t the playoff committee and the fact Georgia had the best season and deserved it!!!! No LSU was forced to play Alabama by the old system that was truly unfair!!!! Les Miles should have had 2 at LSU!!!!
Anyone who doesn’t KNOW Kirby could win national championships at Georgia, LSU, Alabama, Michigan, Ohio state, FSU, Clemson, auburn, & Tennessee. Probably Florida, & even Notre dame or 25 other schools. I DOUBT those people know anything about college football!!!!
Believe what you like but don’t bet your house against Kirby and his staff at Georgia!!! LOL
Kirby was always #1!!!!! He is the #1 reason for Saban being so successful. Not the other way around!!!
OH BUT KIRBY SAID HE OWES SABAN A LOT!!!
PS. That’s never been said before has it???
Negan
I think Mark Stoops is too high at #5. UK had a very mediocre year with a team that had a lot of returning production from the prior 10 win season in 2021. Maybe that changes this year, but something tells me Stoops might bolt for another opportunity, if given the chance.
Drinkowitz to me feels like he is on the hottest seat of all coming into 2023. He might be the only coach that could get the hook, though he did get a huge salary increase last year which was a head scratcher.
lol
Wow, what an original take.. We definitely haven’t heard that he may take a bigger job like every single year for the last 8 years
Heupel caused Hooker to have a career ending knee injury. He belongs at the bottom of the pile
This is the kind of authentic frontier gibberish that gives Kentucky fans a bad name
Howard Johnson is right about Gabby Johnson.
Weagle, that’s one of the better comments I’ve read in a while. Thanks for the laugh.
“Heupel caused Hooker”
How’d he do that?
By calling option plays late in the game when it was game over
Stick to basketball.
Kiffin did the same thing to Corrall a few years ago….
UT was down 18 with 11+ minutes left when the injury occurred. UT had possession, obviously.
It wasn’t looking good, but it wasn’t over.
Ah yes, because a third round draft pick’s career is over. That’s miles higher than Will “Mayo Man” Levis should have gone. You’re just mad cause UK has lost it’s window of opportunity to win the East.
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I hate the Titans. Not my team.
Given the disastrous recruiting of the Harsin Era, I think most AU fans (and hopefully boosters) have more patience than you are implying.
I’m 100% certain Coach Freeze will have more success in AU.
I don’t get the implication either. AU fans seems realistic about the state of the program and Freeze is making clear steps to fix the problems.
So, all other new HCs and ones that were hired a year or two ago isn’t getting it done?
Jimbo’s stock is falling but let’s wait 2-3 seasons before we rank Brian Kelly ahead of Heupel, Stoops and Fisher.
1st season at LSU was good and but let Kelly go through a few seasons (staff turnover, a crisis or two, sustained success etc.) before ranking him so highly.
The $10,000.00 question – is Kiffin anything more than a sugar high?
On the verge of breakout – Shane Beamer?
I think that SC takes a step back this year. I saw where they were in the low 90’s in returning production from last year. I do think Beamer will succeed, but I don’t think it will be this year.
Ya’ll better boat race the chickens when they show up on the river in September before they gain some confidence.
Team board material. I like it.
USCar’s cross-over games are Miss St and TAMU; USCar also plays UNC and Clemson. Beamer has USCar recruiting a very high level, relatively speaking.
If USCar wins 8 or more that will be a solid season, 9-10 wins would be an excellent season.
So, you are saying Heupel and Tennessee will get a win against Beamer and South Carolina this season.
Name another coach that would have done what Kelly did at LSU Year 1 inheriting a program in shambles and with 38 scholarship players?
I don’t think Kirby would have been able to do that. Gotten LSU to 8 wins possibly, but not a West title. Saban, possibly so. Anyone else? Nope.
Give CBK his due. Everyone knew if he got out from the shadows of Notre Dame, he would win championships. He did get ND to the BCS title game in 2012 only to lose to Bama. He did get ND to the playoff only to lose to Bama once again.
Unless his assistants are pick-pocketed from him, he will year in and year out have LSU competing for championships WITH the likes of UGA, Bama, Ohio State..
As far as Shane Beamer goes, he had a great year in 2022. Had Bell, Stogner, a few others on offense and defense returned and not transferred, I could see him maintaining that level of success or surpassing it. But I think give him a couple of more years and at least a good, competent QB for Rattler to hand off to after he leaves, and they may compete with Tennessee for 2nd in the East.
Chill, I didn’t dismiss or take away from Kelly and LSU’s success last season I just think before we crown Kelly as being a better coach that Jimbo or Heupel we need to see more than one season.
And you have to give Stoops credit, he’s taken UK to a level they’ve never seen before with mostly a bunch of 2 and 3 star players. What would Stoops do year in and year out if he had the talent that Bama, LSU, UGA and UF have at their disposal.
As far as comparing Kirby and Kelly – let’s see if Kelly gets LSU to the NC game in his second season as HC at LSU (which will be Kelly’s 23rd season as a college HC.)
As far as getting ND to the CFP; ND is the most overrated program in history. Which ever SEC teams were the 3rd and 4th best SEC teams the years ND made the CFP – those SEC teams were better and more deserving of being in the CFP.
It only took Kelly one year to do something that none of the other guys you mentioned have done yet, and that’s win a division in the SEC. If LSU would have wanted Stoops, they would have him. Kelly has more than proven himself over the years. He’s where he belongs in these rankings.
I’d argue that Kelly was already the better coach than both Heupel or Jimbo (and most other SEC coaches) based on record and overall success before he ever got to LSU.
Another way to look at ND is that they made the playoffs and got close again DESPITE being overrated.
I’m not making any predictions for 2023 in the SEC meatgrinder but I can agree with Hayes about Kelly “He’s going to be a load to deal with for a long time.”
I posted on another article that I’d rather have Kelly than Saban at this point in their careers since Kelly’s peak is in front of him and Saban’s is now entering the rearview mirror.
“It only took Kelly one year to do something that none of the other guys you mentioned have done yet, and that’s win a division in the SEC.”
McElwain did it his first 3 years at UF before getting fired mid season.
Not saying McElwain is better than Kelly all I’m saying is let’s get a better sample size coaching in the SEC before classifying Kelly as elite. The SEC has chewed up some coaches who were good until they coached in the SEC – Morris, Franconine, Harsin, the Wisconsin guy who went to Ark, even Butch Jones was doing great until UT
Taking a team with only 39 players, sign 30 new to go with them and win the SECW. I’m going to say that’s better than Stoopit, Mott the Heupel and 7-4 Fisher put together.
I like the Mott the Hoople reference. They were as underrated as Kelly last year.
“Freeze … can he recruit at an elite level when everyone else can hand out NIL cash, too?”
That is the career defining question, my guess is no, especially with the baggage.
“That is the career defining question, my guess is no, especially with the baggage.”
What baggage?
All things equal who does mama trust with her young man and his NFL aspirations?
Nick Saban, Kirby Smart, Brian Kelly etc or the guy that let Laremy Tunsil, Robert Nkemdiche etc run the asylum while he was supporting human trafficking.
Do you really want to start listing the names of people that have been arrested or have killed someone that were developed by Saban and/or Kirby? The whole NFL argument is pure recruiting B.S.. If you want to see who really develops talent, look at schools like Miss State, Wisconsin, Iowa, etc… They consistently take 3* talent and produce impact NFL players.
“All things equal who does mama trust with her young man and his NFL aspirations?”
Uh, UGA has had players killed from drunk driving.
“Uh, UGA has had players killed from drunk driving.”
One of the lowest-IQ statements to ever be made
Weagle99
Do you even follow college football? Saban and Kirby have created NFL pipelines; you’ve got the Philadelphia Eagles literally saying “we want and prefer UGA defensive players.” Bill Belichick hasn’t missed a Pro Day at UGA in years; literally every NFL team is represented at UGA’s Pro Day, every year.
Literally there are NFL coaches publicly stating they want their sons to be coached by Kirby Smart.
As far as developing 3-star players for the NFL – NAME ONE COACH OR PROGRAM THAT BEATS KIRBY SMART AND UGA OVER THE LAST 6-7 YEARS.
Stetson Bennett – 3-star walk-on. Deandre Walker 3-star Jim Thorpe Award Winner and 1st round pick. Jordan Davis ALL-World and 1st round pick. Eric Strokes 3-star 1st-round draft pick. Tae Crowder 2-star RB drafted and still playing LB in the NFL. Solomon Kindly and others – 3 -stars coming into UGA and were drafted. Ladd McConkey wasn’t even rated until UGA and Kirby offered, he’ll get drafted in 2024.
“One of the lowest-IQ statements to ever be made”
Yeah ok “ho card” lady.
“Yeah ok ho card lady.”
lol – I’m not the one who said ” ho card”
thanks for proving the low-IQ comment
Last 10 years: obviously multiple coaches:
3* talent drafted
Wisc: 14.5% #8
UGA: 13.4% #13
Iowa: 12.7% #14
Miss St: 8.9% #29
Auburn: 7.4% #38
Your lack of comprehension is truly asstounding.
“thanks for proving the low-IQ comment”
You have the IQ of cow S hit.
Sure he can,he’s got the advantage,he’ll be using the Ho Card.
Sounds better than getting drunk and killing people.
What are you babbling about?
“What are you babbling about”
Oh right, you have no brain. You don’t understand simple English.
You said “sounds better than getting drunk and killing people.” Who are you saying got people “drunk and killed?” Are you saying Kirby Smart “got people drunk and killed?”
You made an accusatory statement without any details or reasoning, that’s what the grown-ups call emoting babble
Man up puussyboy – make a real statement
“You made an accusatory statement without any details or reasoning, that’s what the grown-ups call emoting babble”
Toxicology results show LeCroy, who was driving a university vehicle not authorized for use at the time of the crash, had a blood alcohol concentration of . 197 – more than twice the legal limit in Georgia, police said. Willock was ejected and died at the scene and LeCroy died at a local hospital.
If UGA got people drunk and killed then why haven’t UGA and Kirby been charged with a crime? Was Kirby Smart charged with DUI or given a ticket? What about the UGA President or AD? Was the University of Georgia cited for any traffic tickets? Id the University of Georgia being investigated by the SEC or the NCAA?
AU screed the pooch with Terry Bowden
AU screwed the pooch with Tommy Tuberville
AU screwed the pooch with Gus Malzhan
AU screwed the pooch with Brian Harsin
Now AU has hired a snake-oil selling used-car salesman who was acting like a preacher while he was funding human trafficking over a University provided cell phone and got Ole Miss put on probation.
GREAT HIRE, what could possible go wrong.
“LeCroy”
there’s your answer Einstein
“Now AU has hired a snake-oil selling used-car salesman who was acting like a preacher while he was funding human trafficking over a University provided cell phone and got Ole Miss put on probation.”
Good!
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“But can he build at a program that doesn’t exactly have patience — and can he recruit at an elite level when everyone else can hand out NIL cash, too?”
Yes.
Bama and UGA should be 1a and 1b based on current standing and success. It seems Bama has more questions on offense than in recent years, while UGA doesn’t. Personally, I think the defenses are almost mirror images.
“Personally, I think the defenses are almost mirror images.”
Bama’s defenses have not been the same since Kirby left town.
Matt, give Kirby his due. He’s done what Mark Reicht at Georgia couldn’t. He’s gotten 2 Nattys. But let’s not play Negan here, okay.
“If his secondary doesn’t blow a coverage in the 2017 Playoff national championship against Alabama, Smart could have 3 national titles in 7 seasons….”
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IF. IF Ryan Day had gotten the Bucknuts 6-10 yards closer Kirby would be sitting at 1, not 2. Come on, man!
57939 he said kirby is better so what are you referring to?
I agree with your general sentiment, but the ryan day comment is a strawman.
If Georgia makes the field goal earlier in that game OhiobState would have needed a touchdown to win at the end. Agree, ifs and buts are for lovers, so no need to play that game.
You know I love Coach Stoops, and I have no problem with his placement in this list. I say he’s definitely top 6 or 7. 5 may be a little high, and Beamer deserves to be higher.
Considering Stoops’ body of work, taking over a program that had whatever slight momentum post Brooks squandered by the Joker, with all the cupboards bare and football morale in the Bluegrass at their lowest in years, and building it to where 7 wins is no longer acceptable to those with short-term memory, is a hell of a feat.
But this is laughable: “The Wildcats aren’t that far away from doing what Tennessee did in 2022: play games in November with the Playoff on the line.”
Maybe, just maybe, when the 12-team playoff gets here, we can expect to be playing for a spot in November every three-four years, but we are no where near sniffing for a spot in the four teamer. We can’t even really begin to think about being top four until we can do the unthinkable and beat Florida and Tennessee in the same year.
Until then, we’ll be playing for Citrus Bowls, not Orange Bowls.
I hope that by bringing Coen back into the fold, getting a good transfer QB in Leary, and getting some development time for Boley can one day lead us to loftier goals, but for now, let’s temper our expectations a bit.
Agreed- 100% ^^^^
Rich Brooks definitely had Kentucky playing extremely well. Wish he would have stuck around a little longer before turning it over to a Joker that burned the program down.
Had Brooks been able to hand the reins over to Stoops, Kentucky may already be defending and winning SEC East championships at least.
Good points. That said it is a ranking which is inherently comparative. Is there anyone lower down the list you’d rather have than Stoops?
No, Stoops is the perfect fit. I just hope fans continue to have the patience that allowed him to build up the program if they want more, which is what we all do.
I think 5 is fine. The team has been pretty consistent in the East pecking order, even if they haven’t played in Atlanta. The ratings should take into account not only the win-loss column, but everything that the HC does. You don’t last this long in the SEC without being good at a lot of things. I think the length of tenure give him the right to be at #5 considering how many flash in the pan HCs have come through the SEC, even at more prestigious schools.
Can’t wait until we finally kick things off! Have decided to have Baby Woke’s gender choosing ceremony during our tailgate party before the Tennessee game. All are welcome. Open bar, food, drag queens and poetry readings. Also,there will be a surprise celebrity guest. All of you here are welcome. More details closer to the season.
Will there be lab-grown vegan options?
The zillion dollar question Delandman…will Hitlerry be there? If you aren’t going to have any dusgusting looking bluewave porkers in XXXL moomoos that look like thongs there than I, the Donald, and Hunter ain’t coming…
Oh, and Susan McDougal said to pardon her if she doesn’t make it as well…
Oh..you mean like Rosanne Barr and half of Arkansas?..
Ahhh, still upset are you that Ms Jarrett can’t shake off the resemblance of a cross between the Muzlim Brotherhood and the Planet of the Apes? I’m with Rosanne, I had no idea she wasn’t white until she got offended, how about you and baby woke?
Well I think there are a couple of mysteries…..
AU – New coaching staff. A good coach should be able to improve on the 5-7 record from last year.
Mizzou – Drink needs to make some noise this year or his seat will get warm if it’s not already.
A&M – will the Petrino experiment succeed?
About ranking Arnett dead last, I get that. He is pretty much an unknown quantity as a head coach. And anyway, it’s not where you stand in May that matters. It’s where you stand in January.
Might be an interesting year in Starkville. 2024 could be even more so.
I get Jimbo won a natty at FSU…..
but he hasn’t done anything in the SEC and has been spiraling, not just trending, down. I’d take Sam or Shane over him in an instant at this point.
Could Jimbo’s 2020 have been an anomaly? That could have been his one chance to sniff a national title shot.
Now, I said months ago that I thought 2023 could be a bounce back year for A&M, though I am stopping short of saying they’ll win the West. I still think that’s a 2-horse race with LSU and Bama.
3-horse race.
good
1. Nick Saban, Alabama. He’s the best until further notice. Even with Kirby’s recent success.
2. Kirby Smart, Georgia. Kirby’s as good as it gets in recruiting, but I’m not quite ready to annoint him as best overall just yet.
3. Jimbo Fisher, Texas A&M. Can’t stand Jimbo, but as long as college football is recruiting driven, he ranks this high.
4. Brian Kelly, LSU. He’ll get to prove if he’s better than Jimbo over the next couple years. He had some elite talent last season, but he also did a heckuva coaching job. Now do it twice.
5. Billy Napier, Florida. Yes, this is high and looks homerish. But he’s built a winner and won a conference. I would want him above the nine guys I ranked behind him.
6. Hugh Freeze, Auburn. What he did at Ole Miss and Liberty gets him this high. What he also did at Ole Miss gets him this low.
7. Lane Kiffin, Ole Miss. I have him ahead of Stoops because offense today is more valuable than defense.
8. Mark Stoops, Kentucky. He’s a very good coach, but I am starting to wonder about his apparent lack of interest in a bigger job.
9. Sam Pittman, Arkansas. It’s a line of scrimmage league and he’s the ultimate line of scrimmage coach. And seems to be a great leader. You can’t not like him. But his schedule’s a buzzsaw.
10. Josh Heupel, Tennessee. He had four special skill players last season, like 2020 Florida. Let’s see if he can sustain it.
11. Shane Beamer, South Carolina. Clearly a player’s coach and a motivator but has the odds stacked against him.
12. Eli Drinkwitz, Missouri. Reportedly very cerebral. But nobody’s building a contender at Missouri unless they leave the conference.
13. Clark Lea, Vanderbilt. Shane Beamer Lite.
14. Zach Arnett, Mississippi State. Insufficient data.
10. Josh Heupel, Tennessee. He had four special skill players last season, like 2020 Florida. Let’s see if he can sustain it
Considering Heupel was without Tillman, Hooker and Hyatt in the Bowl game yet boat raced a good Clemson team, yeah I guess Heupel still has something to prove…
Nash you got the homer part right lol!
Oh my. This isn’t the least bit credible.
I would have Kelly at 3 and Heupel at 4. Heupel can move past Kelly quickly with a bit more sample size, but what he has done at TN is impressive. Yes, football is recruiting driven but it is more results driven, and Jimbo has been disappointing to say the least. I would have Nick 1, Kirby 2, Brian 3, Josh 4.
There are 6 coaches he has ranked below Napier that I would rather have than Napier.
I golf with Stoops a few times a month. People worried about him not wanting a bigger job… there is only 4-6 jobs in the country he would take over his current. He is a top 10 paid coach and if he wins 8-9 games a year we will build him a statue. He has perhaps the cushiest job in all of college sports. The only way he leaves is if OSU, Notre Dame, Bama, UGA, Texas or maybe Oklahoma come calling. And that’s it
Saban is the goat but Kirby is best today.Napier way too high on your list imo. What has he done? Jimbo over Kelly is crazy. Hugh Freeze needs to prove he can recruit now that everybody can pay their players.
My top 5 Kirby,Saban,Kelly,Jimbo,Kiffin
WHAT ABOUT JOSH HYPE-LL. HE THROWS THE BALL!!!
Until Missouri becomes relevant in any SEC sport….HUSH!! ?
Best coach ever? Saban
Best coach now? Smart
Solid
It’s Kirby’s world. Saban’s just living in it.
Coaching is defined in the profession In 4 dimensions. Physical training, Psychological implementation, Tactical knowledge, and Technical Skills. Not all coaches are good or even competent in all four.
Coaches don’t judge each other by how many NIL tricks get handed out. And they don’t judge each other by illegal strength building chemistry, only sports writers and some fans are fooled by those.
You can say being a head coach is the trick that counts, or having a stable of specialists is the way, But every staff is different, and turnover happens sometimes, promotion happens sometimes.
Something for sure, sportswriters way over simplify success as a Head Coach in the SEC and most everywhere else. There are a lot of great coaches out there going unnoticed and a lot of staff floating on things that don’t even get make a mention when you’re earning a degree or a certificate, etc. And sports professional associations are vastly different in their mission emphasis to improve their membership. American Football being way down the list of top associations.
Talk talk talk, do some homework and find out what coaching staffs truly are professionals and which ones are totally dependent on something other than being the best coaches. But it will require top homework in American Football, where a lot of the training is the most inefficient in athletics
There will be multiple teams running some form of the air raid in the SEC this year. It reminds me of when the spread offense took over.
We know that Kelly exceeded some expectations at LSU and we know that he disappointed some fans and higher ups at Notre Dame. It’s too early to know how he will do in the SEC West