O'Gara: A rooting guide for SEC contenders and the College Football Playoff
It’s not easy to keep all of this straight.
Without divisions, but with a new 12-team Playoff, there’s more than ever for a fan base of a contending team to monitor. You want to know what your team needs to make the field. I hear you.
I also hear people saying, “Don’t worry about other teams and just win.” Yep, that’s also true. But with as many as 6 (!) SEC teams finishing the regular season with 10 wins, we have to discuss what could be determining factors. Ergo, the thing that your team needs to root for.
Let’s remember that getting to the SEC Championship is still, in theory, the most direct path to the Playoff. We’ll debate what it means to lose that game for a top-12 team — that would disincentivize conference championship games like never before in the sport and defeat the entire purpose of conference championships — but let’s pretend that’s the logical approach here. By the way, that logic should apply everywhere, not just the SEC.
So what should SEC teams be rooting for or against? Let’s dig into it.
Oh, and real quick … these are the national results that all SEC contenders should root for
Because every SEC contender has the possibility of being an at-large Playoff team as it stands, these are the realistic scenarios to root for outside of the conference that apply to every potential at-large contender in the SEC:
- Notre Dame suffers loss No. 2
- Penn State suffers loss No. 2
- SMU or Miami suffers loss No. 2 in the regular season
- Colorado or BYU loses another game in the regular season and can only get in via a conference title
- Indiana gets walloped by Ohio State OR Ohio State loses to IU and Michigan
More or less, those would all be positive developments for SEC teams hoping to make it in as an at-large team. Here’s the rooting guide for each SEC team’s Playoff path:
Alabama
Quite simply, Alabama can root for chalk and logic. What do I mean by that? If chalk plays out with only favorites winning in SEC games the next 2 weeks, the Tide will play in the SEC Championship. The Tide would win the tiebreaker because its conference opponents’ win percentage was better than Georgia’s, Ole Miss’, Tennessee’s and Texas A&M’s. (We broke down SEC scenarios here.)
Outside of dropping a game against Oklahoma or Auburn, what could disrupt Alabama’s SEC Championship path, you ask? It’s not a single-game result. It would take several upsets. For example, if all the favorites won except for Mizzou losing to both Mississippi State and Arkansas, that would knock Alabama out of the SEC Championship. Georgia would get that spot in Atlanta.
I know what you’re thinking. You could say that scenario would actually benefit Alabama because it would be a lock to get into the field at 10-2 without playing in the SEC Championship. That’s where the “logic” part matters for Alabama’s rooting interest. Logic says that no team should fall out of the Playoff field simply because it earns a spot in the conference championship and it loses. The focus of conference championship games should be competing for that first-round bye, not being put in an all-or-nothing spot that idle teams avoided by being worse.
If logic wins out, Alabama’s Playoff path should be fairly straightforward if it wins these final 2 regular season games.
Georgia
It’s a similar conversation to Alabama. You have all those aforementioned out-of-conference scenarios that would bode well for Georgia. That lopsided Ole Miss loss might put a limit on the ceiling of that ranking and it could put UGA on the road for a first-round Playoff game. But Ole Miss getting that 3rd loss by losing at Florida or against Mississippi State would be the most obvious way for Georgia’s ranking ceiling to change before the conference championship.
That’s right, Dawgs fans. You’re rooting for Florida this weekend. These are new times we’re living in.
That could be the difference in traveling for a first-round Playoff game or hosting one in Sanford Stadium, where Kirby Smart is 45-1 since the start of 2017. Significant? You bet.
Apply that logic to Alabama, as well. The Tide have the head-to-head against Georgia, but if they lost to Oklahoma or Auburn, that’s 1 less team blocking UGA from earning a 5 through 8 at-large spot to host a home Playoff game. Of course, Alabama is also currently the biggest thing standing in the way of UGA making it to the SEC Championship for the 4th consecutive season. An Alabama loss sends UGA to the SEC Championship.
While head-to-head isn’t the only deciding factor for all these potential 10-2 SEC teams (more on that in a bit with Tennessee), Texas getting destroyed by A&M would bode well for UGA. No, that alone wouldn’t put UGA in the SEC Championship, but it would have to be one fewer at-large team that’s ranked ahead of the Dawgs. Georgia would, however, reach the SEC Championship if Auburn beat A&M, and then the Aggies turned around and beat Texas.
That’s right, Dawg fans. You’re also rooting for Auburn each of the next 2 weekends. These are new times we’re living in.
Ole Miss
Ole Miss is relatively straightforward because of how unlikely it is to reach the SEC Championship. Lane Kiffin’s skepticism about the potential risk of playing in the conference championship shouldn’t be an issue for his team unless the following scenario happens:
- Ole Miss wins out AND:
- Texas A&M loses to Auburn and Texas
- Alabama loses to either Oklahoma or Auburn
- Tennessee loses to Vandy
If all of those boxes are somehow checked with chalk everywhere else in SEC games, Ole Miss would face Texas in the SEC Championship. But more than likely, Ole Miss will be in an at-large spot. It can root for all of those scenarios to bolster that position. The weird thing about the way that the schedule played out is that among the potential 6 SEC teams who could be 10-2, Ole Miss only played 1 of them, and it was a decisive blowout against Georgia. That could make for a fascinating discussion about seeding as it relates to hosting a home Playoff game.
Tennessee
I’d compare Tennessee’s current situation to a poker scenario. Stick with me on this one, or just skip to the part where I stop talking about poker. If the Vols were playing a little Texas Hold ‘Em, they would be the person who flopped an open-ended straight draw and a flush draw. As long as they get to 10 wins, AKA stay in the hand, they’ll have outs. They need to hit on those outs on the turn or the river to win the hand.
(I realize that person can also bet somebody out of the hand, which would be a bluff of sorts depending on when that bet is made. Missing the draws and then betting big after the river would be a bluff. Betting big after the flop in hopes of getting paid off for potentially hitting that draw is a different story.)
OK, here’s what that means for the Vols. They have 1 win against an FBS team with a winning record, which suggests that none of Tennessee’s other wins are about to become Top 25 wins by that final Playoff ranking. Yes, that 1 win vs. an FBS team with a winning record was against Alabama. However, the head-to-head argument cannot be cleanly applied to every argument. Why? Well, Alabama, Georgia and Tennessee all went 1-1 against each other. You can’t say the head-to-head is the deciding factor because then if you applied that logic to Tennessee and ranked the Vols ahead of Alabama, you’d have to rank Georgia ahead of Tennessee but not Alabama.
Tennessee could be in danger of getting bumped out of the Playoff field if a non-top 12 team from the ACC or Big 12 wins a conference title. Remember that Notre Dame is also now ahead of Tennessee and in a position to earn an at-large berth if it just wins out. If logic holds and a 2-loss SEC Championship participant isn’t punished by suffering loss No. 3 in Atlanta, that works against the Vols. Of course, the selection committee could decide that a 3rd loss, no matter when it happens before the Playoff, is a deal-breaker. That would benefit Tennessee.
Again, there are outs. All of those aforementioned national results that all SEC contenders root for apply to Tennessee as much as any team in America. The more chaos, the better. I spent roughly 30 minutes on bball.nothing.net trying to find any scenario for Tennessee to reach the SEC Championship, and I came up with nothing (I’m willing to admit there’s still somehow a path and I just didn’t want to spend 3 hours trying to find it).
The Vols would certainly appreciate the right amount of chaos.
Texas
This shouldn’t be that difficult to figure out for Texas, who sits at No. 3. A 10-win Texas team likely isn’t getting left out of the field, though a blowout loss in College Station could change that. The Longhorns have been given the benefit of the doubt by the selection committee even though they don’t have a win against the current CFP Top 25, and their only loss came convincingly against top-10 Georgia.
So what does that mean? Texas doesn’t have to root for chaos. It’s currently the highest-ranked SEC team. The better question for Texas if it suffers a loss at A&M would be whether it will host or travel for a first-round Playoff game. Texas can only get to the SEC Championship by beating A&M.
I suppose from a seeding standpoint, a 10-2 Texas would appreciate Georgia getting upset by Georgia Tech in the regular-season finale to earn its third loss. Outside of that, though, the Longhorns can root for chaos to help from a seeding standpoint, but it’s all about taking care of business with such clear respect established by the selection committee.
Texas A&M
That Notre Dame loss stings, but oddly enough, a 10-2 A&M team that beats Texas and reaches the SEC Championship would probably still get in over a 10-2 Notre Dame team. Irish fans, I would hear the gripe. In all likelihood, though, it won’t come down to that.
A&M obviously needs to win out in the regular season to have any sort of argument. Where the debate could come is if the Aggies beat Texas and lose in the SEC Championship as the No. 10-11 team. Would the selection committee put Tennessee ahead of A&M even though they both finished 10-2? That’s where that argument will get interesting because if A&M gets into the SEC Championship after beating Texas, it could be ranked slightly ahead of the Vols and potentially punished if it loses that game while the Vols are idle. That would send Kiffin and those SEC coaches into a frenzy, even if it came at A&M’s expense.
So let’s instead look at it from this standpoint. A&M, as the lowest-ranked 2-loss team from the SEC with 1 win vs. the current CFP Top 25 (No. 23 Mizzou), needs as many SEC teams as possible to get that third loss in the regular season.
- Georgia loses to Georgia Tech
- Tennessee loses to Vandy
- Ole Miss loses to Florida or Mississippi State
- Alabama loses to Oklahoma or Auburn
Any of those results would be a positive development for an A&M team that didn’t face those 4 squads. For the Aggies, though, every contest the rest of the way should be treated as a Playoff game.
That’s a heck of a lot of research Connor. Thanks.
3 teams ahead of Tennessee are guaranteed to lose before the playoff. Tennessee is a playoff lock.
You are assuming those losses will result in teams free falling in the rankings enough to help Tennessee get in. It’s likely those losses will only result in a mild reshuffling of the top 10 depending on things unfold.
No reason to play anymore games then if the 12 have been ordained the winners.
I like the poker analogy.
IMO, Georgia should be first amongst the UGA-ALA-TN round robin. They all went 1-1, winning at home and losing on the road.
Georgia won by 14, lost by 7
Alabama won by 7, and lost by 7
Tennessee won by 7 and lost by 14
so a slight edge to Georgia on the victory margins.
Looking at each team’s other loss:
Georgia lost by 18 @Ole Miss
Alabama lost by 5 @Vandy
Tennessee lost by 5 @Arkansas
Georgia’s loss was by the most, but they played the far better team of the three. Not gonna try to polish any of these turds. Instead, let’s look at each team’s other wins against the current CFP ranked teams:
Georgia beat #3 Texas in Austin
Georgia beat #17-Clemson in Atlanta
Alabama beat #18 South Carolina at home
Alabama beat #23 Missouri at home
Tennessee doesn’t have a win against an FBS team with a winning record.
Based off of this, I’d rate Georgia higher than Alabama, and Tennessee lower than both.
The committee uses 5 primary metrics that are well published. SOS, “good wins,” “bad losses,” top 25 wins, and game control.
It’s not as simple as “this team had a worse loss” or “this team has a slightly better win.”
Clearly what is helping OleMiss is that they have 2 top 25 wins where they controlled the game completely. Also, clearly the UK loss is a team under .500 which the committee defines as a “bad loss.” But again, it’s a combination of these metrics.
The Committee is clearly not using that formula.
Exactly. The committee might talk about formulas and criteria, but looking at the actual rankings is the best way to discern what they value.
exactly x2
If they value class and integrity, Ole Miss is out.
Check out CFProfessor or Dave Bartoo. That SEC podcast hosts them too. They have accurately predicted the top 15 almost 100% with that formula. This week, the only miss was Bama over Miami at 7-8.
Well, UGA has the best SOS, no bad losses, more wins over Top 25 teams than the Top 5 teams combined and they are seeded 11th.
Color me dubious.
Woah JTF, color you biased. Choking Georgia finally played a respectable SEC schedule for once and you guys got disoriented. Let’s be real, you don’t even have more top 25 wins than Oregon much less everyone else.
If both Ole Miss and Georgia both finish 6-2, Ole Miss would stand taller than Georgia in the SEC standings and any advantage, in what could be gained from standing taller, should be advantage Ole Miss…
but we know, when it comes to the “selection” committee, standing taller doesn’t mean $h!t to them.
you used the word ‘clearly’ a number of times in your observation as to what the committee is doing, as well as outlined their ‘well published’ metric. can you take a step back and say that you’re truly as confident in reading that as you were in first typing it?
the committee is only using 2 metrics. The # of wins and losses and head to head, of which the latter isn’t one of the well published metrics.
I think you are giving the committee too much credit. They appear to only be looking at losses and most recent loss is worst.
Soon they will be ranking based on mascot or colors, but really they appear to be ranking based on schools they are most familiar with. I really think they just want “those southern schools to have to play in big 10 weather.”
going to be rating ’em 5 thru 8, that’s surface algebra, doesn’t really seam to matter where on the 5 thru 8 axis you are, just put the SEC there…
but, when they really dive into the possibilities, like O’Gara has, they’ll be able to take the equation into trig territiory to figure out the relevant function of any angle they desire! And who plays who WHERE is the DESIRE!
Sankey: “This “new” and improved” Ponzi scheme scam is the $h!t; why didn’t we think of this a long time ago?!?”
Smart may want to hire you, you seem like you know…
what the committee wants.
Captain Reb…
O’Gara:
That could be the difference in traveling for a first-round Playoff game or hosting one in Sanford Stadium, where Kirby Smart is 45-1 since the start of 2017. Significant? You bet.
TrueGrit:
5 thru 8; “oh, baby, those my sweet spots… touch me there.”
How many of those two-loss SEC teams is the “selection” committee going to be able to “select” into baby’s “sweet spots” to give the SEC that “significant” advantage…
“Selection” Committee:
“Hold our beers…”
Tennessee fans on social media have been going on a frenzy… Not sure it’s worth the energy when they just need 1 or 2 teams to lose. I have a feeling they will get in. And honestly, I don’t think it’s that unlikely that 5 SEC teams will get in and the rest of the country will be going on social media frenzies..
no doubt…
tyrant Sankey is looking powerful, because his “new” and “improved” Ponzi scheme scam puts his old antiquated 4-Team Playoff Ponzi scheme scam to shame.
Fanfckintastic!
I disagree. The committee clearly values optics and CFB politics to some degree. I highly doubt 5 SEC teams get in. When you have sitting AD’s on the committee who have a vested interest in how the playoffs unfold and shape future seasons, there’s a large enough conflict of interest that will prevent a neutral, disinterested application of so-called criteria and formulas.
As more time passes and new CFP polls come out and with more comments from the chairman, I get the feeling that the CFP committee is bias towards the B1G.
It’s going to play out perfect for the SEC…
and lest we get ahead of ourselves, the final game is in Atlanta.
Using O’Gara’s words…
Significant? You bet!
A 10-3 Aggie team, with the 3rd loss coming in the SEC Championship, will almost certainly be left out of the CFP. With our recent history with committees, I have very little doubt.
The problem I have with the committee is Notre Dame being ranked highly. I’m not an SEC Homer, I’m an Oregon fan of 30 years, but I think a 2 loss Tennessee team or if Bama were to lose the SECCG and have 3 losses they would be more deserving of a playoff spot than a team that lost to the 8th place team in the MAC
SEC, go back to divisions please.
PAC12:
“ain’t no going back; once they fck it up, it stays fcked up!”
No, currently it is a lot more balanced than it was when there was divisions. It would never happen but jf there were smaller group divisions of 4 teams in each group those teams play first. Then the SEC would assign remaining schedules that would help eliminate teams from eligibility to reach the SEC championship game. It would never happen but would be cool way to balance every team’s schedule and would create better matchups that mean something at the end of the year.
I think the general confusion around the committee is that they seemingly change their rating criteria on a whim.
When Georgia lost to Ole Miss (a game that we we were, to be fair, totally dominated in) away, we dropped 10 spots in the ranking, despite the fact that that 1. It was an away game, and 2. The team that beat us will be in the final 12 team playoffs.
When BYU lost this weekend to a 6 loss Kansas team at home, they only dropped 8 spots.
When UT lost to Georgia away in a similarly lopsided result to the UGA-OM result, they only dropped 5 spots.
The lack of consistency is maddening.
Going to be a lot of fun watching it develop.
“Tennessee doesn’t have a win against an FBS team with a winning record”. Uhhhh didn’t we beat Alabama