Is Texas over Tom Herman? Horns fans are clamoring for former SEC head coach to get hired
Texas may have already played its way out of the College Football Playoff with Saturday’s loss to unranked TCU, 33-31 at home.
As you might expect, Longhorn Nation is growing frustrated with coach Tom Herman. Even fan-media is openly saying Herman isn’t earning his keep.
at home*
— Burnt Orange Nation (@BON_SBNation) October 3, 2020
So who do Texas fans want? The unattached former SEC head coach every frustrated fanbase dreams of hiring.
URBAN MEYER come get Texas right again especially with Quinn Ewers coming in a couple years
— Justin (@Justin99601692) October 3, 2020
Can we please get Urban Meyer to Texas trending?
— Blake (BOUFF) (@BlakeBouffard) October 3, 2020
All we can do as Texas fans right now is just pray that we get urban Meyer
— Hot Tub Tony (@MckennonMatt) October 3, 2020
I’m seeing a lot of Texas fans wanting Urban Meyer???? @mr_blah_blah__ @censoredhorn @ReaganHuggins12 what say y’all?
— John Patterson (@johnpaulp) October 4, 2020
Urban Meyer went 170-26 at Utah, Florida and Ohio State.
If he can't win at Texas who is the problem?
— Hook'em (@thelonghorns12) October 4, 2020
Texas will look to get back on track next week, presumably with Herman still as head coach, in the Red River Rivalry against a struggling Oklahoma team.
I’m so glad this fool is in Texas..LSU dodged a bullet
Yall really really wanted him too. Got massively lucky.
You aint lien
The ones that didn’t want Herman wanted Jimbo. I was prayin for anyone other than those 2
Thought Texas was back? I guess not.
Oh they are back every year until they play a half decent team. Hell, they were back Saturday before the game started lol. Go gators!
^True^ it’s literally every year they get ranked so high when they really are average. It’s similar to Auburn.
Or that one team in the east that keeps getting preseason hype only to lose to A&M in week 6 lol
Game 3 rather
herman is getting everything he deserves after mocking drew lock on the sideline several years ago. looked like an immature teenager. a 40 yr old mocking a 20 yr old.
he’s clearly incapable of running an elite program and leading young men.
Don’t forget he also tried to pick a fight with mike gundy.
I remember that. Gundy wrestled John Smith in high school. He would have rolled Herman up into a mayonaise jar.
I must have missed that. Build your program leave the trash talking to the fans, you don’t see the best coaches trash talking. All that does is lead to disrespect which gets you losses.
He spends too much time mocking opposing teams’ QBs than building a component football team.
UT is a reality TV series that just keeps on giving.
“If he can’t win at Texas who is the problem?”
For Urban, his apparent lack of a moral compass.
For Texas, the delusional boosters who push the school to making short-sighted decisions to try and reclaim lost glory.
Other than 2005, when was the last time Texas really had any glory? The Sixties?
Texas last glory was the 2010 BCSNCG when Bama thumped them 37-21.
That game was played in the calendar year 2010 but was the 2009 NCG. Auburn won the 2010 crown the next year.
Did you learn about that game last week or what?
That goes to the delusional part. They’ve said “Texas is back” enough that ESPN gave them their own network.
espn didn’t give them the network, that is all on Texas. ESPN wanted a Big XII network. Texas said it would not give up their network nor give rights to any other network. That is reason number 1 and 2 why the Big XII (-2) will fold in the next round of re-alignments. The B1G, ACC, and SEC are making tons of $$$ with their networks. 0U, TT, TCU, OSU, et al are getting the shaft because Texas thinks they are bigger than the conference and are dragging the rest of them down.
The only thing that I can say about Urban Meyer is that he is a winning-football-coach with three(3) National Championships to his credit. Yes there is the negative side, but he can run a winning program. But Longhorn fans…take a close look at your roster to see how much elite talent is there first…because Urban selects his destinations carefully. Florida was stocked with elite talent by Ron Zook & Ohio State always has elite talent…he is picky.
Yeah as a person–very questionable–but there’s no doubt he’s one of the best coaches of this generation. The other thing they’d have going for them is being one of the few schools that could actually afford to pay Urban Meyer enough to get him out of retirement.
The Longhorn boosters can & will pay whatever it takes. Urban Meyer is the only Head Coach that is not coaching whom I would label a sure-thing-hire. But does he want the Texas job ? His forever dream job is Notre Dame, but it is not available. He is in the enviable position of choosing where.
And I can’t really blame the boosters for opening their pocketbooks to get him. He’d definitely get them “back” for real this time. He’d have them dominating that weak conference.
Never understood how he got the Wunderkind label. He ran Urban Meyer’s offense for two years at Ohio State and suddenly he was this football genius
Multiple 10 win seasons at a G5 with wins over playoff teams will do that.
The video of Herman at his last job was not top-secret material. So who looked at this video and said, “lets get that guy”. People like Deloss Dodds work and have worked there. If you can go to TCU (fairly well coached), aTm (recent history of fair coaching), Baylor (at least tactically a history of coaching), and even Texas Tech (has had some decent coaching)…. i think it just exposed Texas for being the eternal under-achiever that goes with the attitude in that atmosphere. Now add that Iowa State, Kansas State, and the two Okkie brothers, have coaches that should ever consider Texas to have a better coaching staff than they do. It’s a formula for roll up your sleeves, because owning the TV network is not going to push you over any hump. If Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri were still there they be getting 1-3 more losses very year, wouldn’t that be fun.
As bad as Texas is, they’re still better than Colorado, Nebraska, and Missouri.
And they’ve got the athletic budget of Colorado, Nebraska and Mizzou combined.
Hmm. Maybe on a given Saturday. Then again, there’s always going to be the upset. No one, especially TX, can get by on name alone. Your team just felt that shock so you should completely understand.
Herman and his agent worked it hard for the Texas job and he used LSU to get it. He got what he wanted, but LSU got the NC. LSU fans are quite happy with how this turned out. It doesn’t sound like Texas fans are. That’s good stuff.
Remember how bad we wanted Jimbo too. Proves the old adage, be careful what you wish for.
When it came out he helped expose Urban and that batshut asst. it didn’t help. I have no doubt Urban sends every opposing coach a nice tip on Herman. Urban hates the guy– just watch him discuss on Fox CFB.
I’ll take your word for it. I so dislike Urban I refuse to watch Fox Sports. I couldn’t tell you one person on the show with Meyer.
Haha Tom Herman doesn’t look so hot now. Yea Urban Meyer isn’t ever coming back unless it’s the NFL.
After a few great wishbone years under Darrel Royal, the coach had an incredible overall record going back 15 seasons in Austin with parts of 3 NCAA championships. A couple of mediocre winning seasons sent the fans into a frenzy calling for his forced retirement.
Fred Akers had incredible but boring success including a couple of undefeated regular seasons, but he lost the bowl games. It was time for him to go when he lost the Bluebonnet bowl and ended with an 8-4 season.
David McWilliams and John Mackavic had limited success and were dismissed.
Mack Brown didn’t totally please UT fans until he won the NC in 2005 and came close again in 2009. He was “too old” to recruit enough of the top 20 Lone Star high school players, so they gave him a sweetheart deal to retire.
Enter the most inept of coaching search firms, and once again the inept powers that be made the woeful mistake of hiring Uncle Jed Hughes and Korn Ferry to find their new coach. Two words–Charlie Strong.
When Strong had three consecutive losing seasons, it was the first time in UT history since 1936-37-38.
So, they decided to hire the next coach without any help. Tom Herman hasn’t been the godsend either.
I say it’s not just Herman’s lack of ability. Texas fans haven’t been happy with their coach for his entire tenure since Dana Bible was there in the 1940’s.
His successor, Blair Cherry went 32-10-1 in 4 years, and two of those teams finished in the top 5, but he was forced into retirement due to ulcers, that he said came because of all the crap he took from the idiots that claimed to be Longhorn fans.
A famous Presidential assassination patsy was supposed to have said around November 18, 1963, “If the Lord ever wanted to give the Earth an enema, he’d stick the applicator in Texas.”
Maybe Texas would have national champion caliber teams if Bobby Baker, Billy Sol Estes, and Malcolm Wallace were still around working for their boss. Interestingly, after said boss kicked the bucket, the Texas football program was never dynastic again.
The deep-pocketed Longhorn boosters can pay for the best head coach available & they demand a winning program…if not they move on to the next head coach.
Jimbo Fisher and Tom Herman are very similar in one way: Each reportedly has an ultra high IQ. That may breed an arrogance that is a problem for a head coach.
Texas is fifth in the 247 team talent composite. TAMU is 10th. But it doesn’t seem to matter. I’m curious how much of the problem is attributable to the evolution of high school football in Texas to a wide open, spread passing, defense-free style of play.
Urban Meyer was an insanely aggressive recruiter and driven head coach. It’s going to be tough for him to get back to that place even if he wants to. Also, @AFan is correct that Meyer has always picked his next job based upon resources and roster in place. He may not want to take on the challenge of building a line of scrimmage roster at Texas. But if Texas backs up a Brinks Truck with a generational amount of wealth, who knows?
Do you think that high IQ is specific to football coaching as a problem, NashvilleGator? I say this because Tony LaRussa is a member of the Triple 9 Society, which is a group where the IQ’s of its members are in the 99.9 percentile and higher.
I don’t know the IQs of the following football coaches, but just listening to them speak, I would say that Nick Saban and Mike Leach have IQs of 150 or more.
I know that Ryan Fitzpatrick was also a member of the Triple 9 Society when he played for the Titans. He even came to one of the meetings.
IQ tests are not necessarily an indicator of a person’s potential. Many people with prodigal IQs–175 to 200–are so off the charts brilliant that they cannot explain to average people the things they understand. Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos and most of the multi-billionaires have IQs in the high end of average to low end of genius.
There is another field of intelligence that may make or break a coach’s ability to excel or fail, and that is visual intelligence. VI is not the same thing as IQ. Vanderbilt research has been at the forefront of this newly discovered factor.
Going to have to disagree with you, LH61. Bezos and Gates, who do each have very high IQs, are rare exceptions among billionaires when it comes to IQ. Yes, Silicon Valley tech billionaires tend to have very high IQs, but they are among a minority of the world’s billionaires.
Buffet reportedly has an above average but not genius IQ. He has said that his temperament has been more important to his success than any smarts he may have. As someone who has read most of what he has written, I tend to agree with him.
The most common characteristics of the world’s billionaires, in no particular order — and not every one has every characteristic— are luck, timing, discipline and focus, inheritance and frugality.
I think the very best head coaches have excellent people skills, which are necessary for recruiting, motivation and teaching. They combine those skills with relentless discipline and focus. I don’t know of any indications or findings that Saban or Leach have genius IQs, nor do I think it’s necessary for success.
I’ve actually worked with a couple of billionaires and consider one my mentor. They have pretty average intelligence but had the luck to see an opportunity, take advantage of it and focus all their efforts on that opportunity… for 30 years plus. That’s another thing: the typical billionaire who isn’t a techy and hasn’t inherited his or her wealth is usually pretty old.
Very interesting, Nash. Great comment.
Nash you may be into something here. In my experience, I’ve noticed something that people with really high intelligence can struggle in an important practical area: relational/emotional intelligence and communication/teaching. It’s hard for people of high intelligence to relate and communicate with people who need empathy/understanding and communication of what the highly intelligent consider “simple” steps. I wouldn’t call either of those coaches “player’s” coaches and say what you want about saban but he finds a way to relate to his players and be more than just “a genius”.
In short, smarts aren’t everything, football like everything in life is a business of people and being able to work with people.
No, Saban isn’t a player’s coach but he’s one heckuva recruiter. He combines that with off the charts discipline and focus.
Urban is not going to waste his time with Texas. He runs his program, not boosters, so he won’t put up with the booster bs or being told how many hours per week he has to spend on the longhorn network.. That factor alone will keep him clear of Texas.. Plus he already has generational wealth-so while more money is nice, it is not his main motivator at this point..
Texas AD aint too smart – I thank them for firing Rick Barnes, for example.
Love from the REAL UT.
Anything bad that happens to TX is well deserved and warms my heart.
You got it right. TU is always the driver of their worst crashes. Aggies should never play them again. Unfortunately the State Government runs all football in the state of Texas.
Yep…I think the best thing that ever happened to A&M was to leave the Big 12.
Sure did save them some losses
A&M, Baylor, and Texas always steal Houston’s coaches. It only works in Houston. Sure get Urban Meyer. You will win and find out the real price later. After he retires again. Yours Truly, Aaron Hernandez
Urban Meyer ain’t coming back to the TX sheetshow. He doesn’t need money and he sure doesn’t need to put up with TX boosters. He quit his last 2 jobs because the stress was killing him. Not happening.
Agree…..I can see Urban right now listening to some cowboy booster with boots and hat telling ol’ Urban “how we do things in Texas”. LMAO.
Stress? At Ohio State? Stress from having lied through his teeth while protecting his wife beater assistant. Give me a break! And stress at Florida? He “quit” and was back at it 3 months later. (rolls eyes)
Bill O’Brien would be a perfect fit. Larger than life, more bluster than substance, and available.
Urb would be a good fit bit nobody can get more than a few seasons out of him.
I doubt it will happen until they change the spelling of Texas to N O T R E D A M E.
He had that chance and decided not to take it. As another poster said, he wants the cupboard full when he shows up and ND can’t recruit a team full of star players. Academics, I’m told.
How sweet this moment is. Nothing is better than watching Texas a place where they have more money than anybody have coaching problems hust like everybody else. Just shows don’t always be so quick to jump on the hot coach but the right coach. The SEC is looking pretty good right.
And Arky is enjoying the limelight of a W. Congrats.